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TurboDog 04-29-2010 04:45 PM

Off subject, but do retirees with seniority still board before active employees? Does a Delta retired guy with a 1997 DOH board before an Active pilot with a 2006 DOH. I thought that is how it was, but wasn't sure.

RiddleEagle18 04-29-2010 04:57 PM


Originally Posted by TurboDog (Post 803765)
Off subject, but do retirees with seniority still board before active employees? Does a Delta retired guy with a 1997 DOH board before an Active pilot with a 2006 DOH. I thought that is how it was, but wasn't sure.

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TurboDog 04-29-2010 05:08 PM

So when someone from F8 (active) is on the standby list with a 2007 hire date above a DH, or OH retiree from 1997 does that mean they will board first? Is the list in order of priority?

BitterOHFO 04-29-2010 06:11 PM

Comair isn't going anywhere. Delta keeps us around to drive the Detroit rampers and ops people nuts cause we don't have ACARS! They love us in DTW when they have to print our releases which average about 20 ft long!

Avroman 04-29-2010 06:30 PM


Originally Posted by TurboDog (Post 803765)
Off subject, but do retirees with seniority still board before active employees? Does a Delta retired guy with a 1997 DOH board before an Active pilot with a 2006 DOH. I thought that is how it was, but wasn't sure.

The priority is active Delta then Delta retirees (and all the dependants) THEN us peons active at DCI then DCI retirees then Comair furloughs then buddy passes. Within each group it's DOH (I think retirees may be based on date of retirement though)

Boomer 04-29-2010 09:29 PM


Originally Posted by trailblazer (Post 803451)
Trust me when I say stay away from comair. They are done. I do believe that the pilots will move over to compass so their job will just transfer. I dont see a flow back due to there is word that Delta will be hiring again soon. But Comair will not be around by the end of this year. I also know that ASA is picking up 100 aircraft. A majority of these A/C are coming from Comair. ASA, who will be renamed Atlantic Southeast, Yea they are doing away with the ASA name and just going to be called Atlantic Southeast, will start hiring to cover those aircraft. The CRJ50 will be gone in about 3 years. Comair has been on the chopping block for some time.

Quite a compelling argument - very well put together, excellent syntax and sentence structure, lots of evidence, sources well referenced, very factual, no emotion or bias whatsoever.

Comair will not be around by the end of this year, yet Comair has a fleet guarantee that lasts until 2011. "TrailBlazer" is thinking out of the box indeed!

Some quick math - if most of ASA's 100 new planes are coming from Comair, and all but 28 of Comair's aircraft are 50s, and in three years all the 50s will be parked, then I guess Delta is transfering Comair 50s to ASA to park them. Very shrewd of them; I'm surprised "TrailBlazer" was able to decypher their diabolical plan.

Especially convincing is the part about Comair pilots just transferring to Compass.

And how the DCI scope limit on >50 seat jets is curiously ignored.

I tend to agree with TrailBlazer. He's obviously done his homework.

On Autopilot 04-30-2010 03:21 AM


Originally Posted by skywatch (Post 803567)
It was an Iranian Cleric, not a midwest preacher that suggested women who wear revealing clothing and behave promiscuously are to blame for earthquakes (not "women showing thier (sp) boobs"). And the protest was organized by a college student from Purdue, not Kent state. And they protested in several other cities, not Kent state. And there were actually 45 earthquakes in various parts of the world that day. And the quake thingy measure is called a seismograph.

Other than that, your facts were spot on.:D

Earthquakes caused by boobs?

THX!!! I heard the story from a person who told someone else, etc....:D

samuraiguytn 04-30-2010 04:29 AM

After 1721 pages, don't ya think a new thread is needed:confused:

Lighteningspeed 04-30-2010 04:40 AM


Originally Posted by Avroman (Post 803835)
The priority is active Delta then Delta retirees (and all the dependants) THEN us peons active at DCI then DCI retirees then Comair furloughs then buddy passes. Within each group it's DOH (I think retirees may be based on date of retirement though)

I believe that is incorrect. On Mainline DAL flights, DAL active pilots board first, then XJ, CZ and Comair active pilots board based on DOH before DAL retirees and buddy pass riders. At least that is the way it is done at all places I have been to and according to the memo we received.

DAL retirees board after active WO pilots. Non WO DCI active pilots board after that except SkyWest pilots board at same priority as WO pilots. On Mesaba, CZ, and Comair flights, both DAL and WO active pilots board first based on DOH. After that Non WO DCI active pilots and retirees board next.

p1ayn 04-30-2010 05:05 AM


Originally Posted by DappemAV8 (Post 284962)
I’ve been reading this thread for quite some time now. (940+ entries) Some people like to be positive, some negative and others just try and start rumors that set off panic and speculation. Even though this is my first post on this forum, I have been a Comair long enough to know that best course of action for any of us to take is to just hang in there, take one day at a time and understand that Comair is a HUGE operation and plays a HUGE role in the overall function of the Delta domestic system. Also, people seem to of lost sight of the fact two recent major events took place that can only improve Comair as a company and improve our relationship with Delta. (the departure of JC and the promotion of Don to DCI) Our union now has a leadership that is more in tune with the industry and has lost the leaders (JC, Bill, Corey) who had a ‘with us, or against us’ mentality. I think we can all take notes from two other airlines, Sky West and Express Jet, that have much more amicable relationships between the pilot group and management. (Sky West pilot group is not represented by a union and ExpJet is APLA) Don’t get me wrong, unions are good but the power of labor has diminished over the last 20 years in all unionized workforces. Now the focus needs to turn to how the two can work together and I think we are on the right track to have new leadership in the union that can work with management. With regards to Don, he is Comair through and through. He grew up in Erlanger, he worked his way up the chain to become president of a company he loves. We could not ask for a better person to be at bat for us at DCI. I have a strong feeling that he’ll take care of us with regard to Delta. With that said, us being sold has great potential to be the best thing that has happened to us in a long time. Either way, Comair has a rich history and a long standing relationship with the company that owns us. Out of all the DCI carriers, Comair repeatedly receives accolades from passengers and Delta for the type of product we put to the sky each and every day. Comair has a great group of people that know how to get the job done. You guys don’t think Delta knows this? The performance numbers that are flashed up all day long often reflect poor operational performance, but that more often than not is a reflection of the operational environment we are faced with each day. Delta understands that. What they don’t understand is why Mesa will, in a effort to get those numbers up, will take off without any bags just to get an on time departure. That type of decision making gets noticed by the higher-ups and trust me, it will make decisions much easier on who stays and who goes.

So before I step off my soap box, I just want to say that Comair is a great airline with great people that provide a great product. I’ve been flying the 900 around quite a bit recently and the passengers are EXTREAMLY impressed. That type of exposure for us is really great. The trade of one 50 for one 90 may seem to some as bad, but if that trend continues and Delta listens to its customers (trust me, they do) Comair could stand to be an entire 70/90 fleet in the very near future. We have one of the best training departments in the industry right now that have the ability to move people through differences at a faster rate than any other carrier operating CRJ’s. One of the contributing factors to us initially getting the 900 was our ability to get them on line quickly with qualified crews.

The landscape is changing. We are all aware of that. DCI will soon become 4 to 5 carriers. (more like 4, and we already lost 1, big sky; we picked up some of their flying and now we’re looking to get VPS flying from LGA and DCA) Comair has the reputation and now the leadership and people to make us one of the remaining 4. All of you new guys, hang in there. When there is time for panic, you will know it. The downsizing that is going on now is unavoidable with $96 a barrel crude. DCI will eliminate 35 jets from the system. Not all will be Comair aircraft. (Delta has said that the ERJ135 will be removed and CHQ has 17). So let’s all just take a deep breath and relax a bit; let this story play its self out and be glad that we work for an airline that has been here for the long haul and plans on staying.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

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