Saab, get real...at this moment I'm actually wondering if you are really a line pilot at a 121 operation. Try going to your next PC (or your upgrade ride) and tell the sim guy that you're not going to use the TR's cuz they don't do anything. Better yet, on your next trip tell the CA that you're not going to use the TR's on your legs....Good Luck! :rolleyes:

The real reason we use TR's in daily operations: So you don't cook the brakes on every landing and take a 1 hour delay to cool them down (or a 3 hour delay for Mx inspection and/or new wheels).

BTW, the TR's have kept me on the runway at least once, in 2004 I think. Braking action was misreported, and the nose wheel ended up on the numbers...of the departure end :eek::eek:

You serious? Our CA's for the most part get annoyed when people use them, they really dont stop the airplane that much better than braking alone. ( 5-10% on a dry runway) (WET Runway I actually think it helps a ton so I am contracdicting myself but you get the point, if ya dont then just disregard :)

Rickair, Get real:rolleyes: do some research on just how effective they really are......... I didnt say I dont ever use them but there not a magic Lever that stops the airplane in 1,000ft

OK, you're on the ERJ (which I've never flown). Are TR's optional during a sim ride? They are not optional on the CRJ, you always use them unless one is MEL'ed. Larger, heavier jets are designed with enough brake capacity to stop without TR's, but not enough to do a quick turn after landing on a 7000' runway on a warm day.

You are doing Phoenix a real disservice if you convince him to go to an interview and state the the TR's will not be a problem because he does not have to use them.

EDIT: Phoenix, if you're still following all this I am somewhat concerned with the whole hand-switching concept. If there's any way to possibly avoid that, try to figure it out. If you just have to do it, then take your best shot. Your challenge on the CRJ will be maintaining pitch AND roll inputs in a X-wind LDG while also deploying the TR's.

You don't think he is prepared for stumbling blocks? Sounds like he has jumped more hurdles in his short career than you will ever attain in your right seat of the CRJ.

Having said in my previous post I was typed in the CRJ and ERJ should have given you a hint that I did fly pax in a not so distant past.

With over 3,800 of worthless posts, I would think you could read a bit better than that. You crawled out from under J/O over to Skywest and still that bitter? Maybe you should sit this one out and let the adults handle this. Maybe Flight Info is better suited for your needs and "expertise".

PAX care about paying $49 one way to see Grandma and being somewhat on time. 99% of the people will never see you carry them A to B.

Take a step back junior. All I am trying to get across is that if I have my TRs I want to use them and should be able to do so with no problem. If I could Fred Flintstone to a stop I would.

Like Rick said, we are dealing with the CRJ here not the ERJ which I know nothing about as well. Just because your company line philosophy dictates you don't deploy them doesn't mean that everyone else shouldn't.

Another thought:

Two of the memory items on the CRJ emergency checklist call for reverse thrust: Rejected Takeoff and Asymmetric Braking/Loss of Braking. Effective enough for the emergency checklist, effective enough for me.

In my opinion i think if you can manipulate the yoke, including the AP disconnect, trim, trim disconnect, sync button (on a CRJ) and PTT for the mic, then you should be fine from the right seat...since the left hand will do most of the work on the FCP, throttles, switches, and flashy lights

But a left seat position with that "switch" is highly unlikely, and i can only see that as being "safe" on the ground.

Keep up your great attitude, and you have absolutely nothing to lose by interviewing and seeing what the recruiters, HR, and captains have to say.

Keep your chin up, but don't expect to get it easily..if at all.


Happy trails

Yeah, I'm pretty aware of some of the other jets that don't have the most friendly TR's. The Citation comes to mind with the little finger lifts. Those would require a hand swap from the left seat.

You do deploy the TR's once all three are planted, correct? How long does it take to swap hands, for me anyway since I'm use to flying that way, about a blink of an eye. Cross wind control inputs, check, TR's deploy with the left hand.

As fas a public apperance is. I worry about it, but I figured it's probably on par with the appearance of a kid who can barely shave being thrown into the right seat.

I'm currently instructing a paraylzed guy for his private. Watching him swap between the throttle and rudder bar we had installed in his plane is like watching a duck swim. I had him in 15 knot direct crosswinds in his Colt and he greased them. I've flown with comemrcial students and would have to check my fillings in that same situation.

A captain at an undisclosed airline has said there was a company wide memo saying buckets only, no TR's due to FOD damage. From what I hear I guess it's helped.

I'll interview hopefully and get a sim checkout. I'll show them why they need to hire me.

Also, I submited my case before AOPA, all my medical history and facts with my SODA.

Here was there response:
"Since the issuance of the Americans with disabilities act, I think you would have the same change of being hired by the Regionals as anyone. If you have any problems with this, please contact me and I will be happy to assist you.

Jo Ann Wilson
Senior Medical Certification
TechnicianMedical Certification Department800.872.2672"

I admire your courage. Keep your dream alive. Pursue your goal with all your heart, and it will happen. Keep us posted. We are all brothers in pursuit of our wild blue yonder.:)

So, where do you want to meet for dinner? I just passed my checkride today in the ERJ-170.

Major congratulations!!!! Good luck with everything! Make sure you order the prime rib, make him pay for his words lol.

Congratulations!! I'm glad to know there are people like you out there that dont lets big bumps in the road keep you from getting what you want. Way to keep at it.

TR's on the CRJ work well...the ERJ is barely noticeable - ask anyone who's flown both.

And for Phoenix - Freakin'A man congrats!! :D

Congrats Man....you should seriously be in some AOPA article for everything you have been through and your success!! Congrats again!

Hey Phoenix just read your story for the first time. Just wanted to say CONGRADULATIONS for never giving up on your dream and passing your checkride. Hope everything else works good for ya and maybe will see ya in a terminal some day. Congrats again

Congrats man! You're a huge inspiration to all of us, keep it up and see you around the airport!

Congrats, my uncle cut all of his fingers off his left had with a circular saw. Ended his military career but he is a check airman and in the flight test program at fedex. Didn't seem to slow him down to much.

Holy balls man :o. I swear to god oprah needs to do a story on you. Congrats.

Congratulations my friend! Congratulations! You probably make most of us look like fools, and idiots when you are PF. Congratulations, well done!

Let me know the time and place. I am a man of my word.


I never meant anything personal, I just had an opinion of my own and stood behind it. However, this is one of the few moments where I am proud to be wrong, great job.

I got to this thread a bit late for any input... since you are apparently already hired by an airline!!!

Congratulations!!!

Just wanted to let you know I've flown in an A320 with captain for a 121 passenger airline, who was in a similar situation to yours (C172 fire)... He does everything just fine and also flew the B737. The only slight difficulty he has is with the radio freq. knob, and some of the buttons for the FMGS.

Anyway, you've gotten through the training, so you are able to do it. Good job.

Whenever I fly with this captain again, I'll tell him about this story so that he might get in touch with you for any suggestions/advice.

You will make a great airline pilot with your positive attitude and love for the profession.

Serious congrats man!

If i was you, and considering how much time off one can get in the flying game, i'd consider doing some motivational speaking work. Tidy little 'side income' and good way to give back to the community.

Congrats! I know I'm late as well, but just come to this thread from another forum.

Job well done!

If you can masturbate than you can be an airline pilot. After all I do it as well.....I mean fly for an airline.

Congrats! :)

Yes he did and he did a fine job on the check. I sat left seat for the ride and was unbelievably impressed with the courage and spunk this gutsy guy has in spades.

Nice job, Logan!

Major congrats! You're an inspiration to everyone who’s ever had a major set back. Even for those who haven't had any major obstacles to over come can take a lesson from you.

BTW, you’re the only E-series pilot I've ever heard of who refers to the Jungle Bus as an ERJ! Most call it an EMB even though it's an Embraer Jet flying for a regional operator................thus.................an ERJ! Regardless some like to pretend big. LOL!

Congrats, keep your head up and tell your story every chance your get! Especially to those who are facing major obstacles.

Congratulations! Thanks for the truly inspiring story and for reminding us what true perseverance means! Have fun on the line.

The airplane has a type rating that specifies 'ERJ-170/190', whereas the 145 has a 'EMB-145' type rating. For that reason, 170/190 folks refer to it as the 'ERJ...'.

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I'm just impressed you can get back into one.. balls of steel

Congrats!

Hope the steak is good, too.

Did not know that, so why are so many getting upset when they hear it being called an ERJ, I just curious and I’m not trying to start anything. I've actually had an RAH pilot in the jump seat who adamantly referred to the Jungle Bus as an EMB and the 135/40/45 as an ERJ.

Maybe it’s just all the SJSers, every airlines got them. :eek:

I don't know. This is the first mention of this issue I've heard. Maybe what these folks are objecting to is the use of the term 'regional' in reference to the 170. With the addition of Frontier, the Republic Holdings route structure is coast to coast and some references have listed Republic as a major, not a regional.

But then again, you are the first person to use the term 'Jungle Bus' that I've run across...maybe that's what folks don't like to hear.

As for the jump seat guy, talk to enough pilots and one is bound to hear almost anything these days!!

Yes RAH does go coast to coast now but so does SKW, AE, MAG, XJT and soon to include 9E (SKW, AE and XJT are at least 25% larger than RAH). Every one of them is listed as a Major with the exception of 9E, but being a major has nothing to do with coast to coast and everything to do with revenue. After all Comair’s listed as a Major and they don’t fly coast to coast.

As for Jungle Bus, it's no difference than referring to the 145 as the Jungle Jet or the CRJ as Canada's Reset Jet. It's from Brazil (jungles) and it reminds people of the Airbus (level of automation as well as some of it's looks, that’s not a knock on it either).........so..........Jungle Bus. Most everyone who's heard it has loved it (Jungle Bus pilots included) and I wasn't the one who started it.

If this is the first time you’ve heard of the ERJ 170 issue then I must have had the pleasure of meeting a few of Republic’s SJSer’s who like to pretend they’re with a Legacy now that they are flying a/c with engines under the wings. LOL! :rolleyes:

Once again no offense, the written word can come off completely different than intended.

Good Day!

Wow, what a great story. Congratulations, man.

Congrats on passing the checkride that's a pretty amazing story, saw you were a Nebraska boy, good to have another one here at RAH, good luck to you.

Way to go... I just read this post today and found myself going nuts when I saw you got hired... You really did something special and you need to share that with others... Whether its talking to elementary, junior high school kids, or adults you should share the story... So who gets the movie rights?! haha

Thank you for sharing your story here... I now know that anytime I think I have it tough, you will make me reconsider.... If you are ever in Indy let me know cause ill definitely buy you a beer....

When I heard about this thread I wrote AOPA about it. I asked them to think about doing a story on the whole ordeal. Well, I just got an email today and they have gotten to meet with PhoenixFlood and will be putting his story in a future issue. Congrats Phoenix!!!!!

Bump! I just was looking at the new features up on AOPA.

AOPA Online: 'No airline would ever hire me' - The Logan Flood Story

When I sent the link to this thread to Dave, I wondered if it would ever make it to print. I'm glad it did.

Logan, congrats again on your achievements. Thanks for laying it out there, first to all of us here on APC, then to the world by way of AOPA. Your is an inspiring story, one I've already invoked on another friend whose physical disfiguration made him think he couldn't make it in his career field, either.

Congrats on achieving your goal! Great read in AOPA after having read this thread a little while back.