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The Drizzle 05-25-2013 03:55 PM


Originally Posted by prior121 (Post 1415765)
Prior to being a line pilot at the circus known as RAH, I worked in the corporate office on Purdue Rd. I have heard many first hand stories about this FO.
I'm not going to share them on this forum. He's not a stand up guy, lets just leave it at that. He's on alot of guys' do not fly lists.

He is a stand up guy and guys like you who spread this BS are spineless cowards.

DryMotorBoatin 05-25-2013 03:58 PM


Originally Posted by prior121 (Post 1415765)
Prior to being a line pilot at the circus known as RAH, I worked in the corporate office on Purdue Rd. I have heard many first hand stories about this FO.
I'm not going to share them on this forum. He's not a stand up guy, lets just leave it at that. He's on alot of guys' do not fly lists.

I dont see what the big deal is. I take pictures of guys while they sleep all of the time.

PhoenixFlood 05-25-2013 04:16 PM


Originally Posted by prior121 (Post 1415765)
Prior to being a line pilot at the circus known as RAH, I worked in the corporate office on Purdue Rd. I have heard many first hand stories about this FO.
I'm not going to share them on this forum. He's not a stand up guy, lets just leave it at that. He's on alot of guys' do not fly lists.

Because corporate gossip is always factual.

And since this is on the Internet that must make it true.

There was in fact one single incident, which I do regret, but it did not involve a photograph. It did involve a conversation with the then CP but it wasn't until 3 other FO's wrote letters complaining about this individual that action was taken against him.

This incident happen about 4 years ago now. I was very frustrated with flying with this individual. I was frustrated of being on reserve for going on two years straight with a crumbling marriage at home. I was frustrated with hearing of others just one month senior to me never spending more than a month of reserve. I was missing my son growing up and I was constantly flying with an individual who tested my skills and patience.

I vented, regretfully, on Facebook with the comment "I'm glad I kept my CFI current because I needed it today, unfortunately my student was my captain. ". No names were mentioned. However, someone did the homework and quickly knew who I was talking about. They made an anonymous call on the company safety hotline refusing the next trip with this individual citing my Facebook comment as the reason, on an answering machine no less.

Naturally the union PSC called me and told me it wasn't professional. I couldn't argue with that. They also told me they were aware of the individual already and were trying to work with him.

As stated earlier, I do in fact have a type A personality. I was very vocal about this individual. So naturally when the action was taken against this individual, I was clearly the culprit since I was the most vocal. Nevermind three other people actually put it in writing to the CP.

This individual did have his day in court/arbitration. Myself and the 3 other FO's were there to testify. I never took the stand as my statement and story weren't nearly as dramatic as the other 3 stories.

The photograph in the cockpit stories began snowballing from there in a childish game of "I saw Ferris get sick at 31 flavors night".

The Drizzle 05-25-2013 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by PhoenixFlood (Post 1415782)
Because corporate gossip is always factual.

According to corporate, DM is competent.

flyguy81 05-25-2013 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by The Drizzle (Post 1415785)
According to corporate, DM is competent.


According to corporate, the pilot group is happy.

Pilotpip 05-25-2013 09:17 PM

In more than 5 years there, most on reserve, flying with captains from every base I never met anybody who had an issue. It's always "I head about this from somebody who heard about it from somebody". Best part, it was always junior FOs and FAs.

As for the one in the facebook comment, I wouldn't put my family on the plane if he were serving cokes and I'm not alone in that assessment.

Grow up. If you have an issue with someone, have the stones to air it in person rather than digging up old rumors in an anonymous forum.

norskman2 05-26-2013 06:55 AM

Prior121 & Crazypills, I don't care what you heard or believe, that's your perogative. But you guys are dirtbags for trashing a fellow pilot BY NAME with rumors on a public forum. Let's see you guys post your real names to stand behind your cowardly statements. Mod, dump these guys.

PhoenixFlood, you've just given yet another example of your courage by standing up to these Internet trolls. Stand strong, fly safe and be well!

SpeedyVagabond 05-26-2013 09:23 AM

Crazy won't respond. He's one of the many dirtbags on our seniority list who snipes from cover. Usually lousy pilots who amazingly are critical of all others.

prior121 05-26-2013 11:35 AM

I shared no stories/details. I haven't heard good things. Do people tend to over exaggerate on the line? Yes, but when you hear stuff over and over. You make your own assumptions.
I stand by what I wrote.

DryMotorBoatin 05-26-2013 12:00 PM


Originally Posted by prior121 (Post 1416124)
I shared no stories/details. I haven't heard good things. Do people tend to over exaggerate on the line? Yes, but when you hear stuff over and over. You make your own assumptions.
I stand by what I wrote.

But why? Really...why? What's the point to run the guy through the mud true or not? Do you feel a lil bigger? Your pants get a lil tighter in the crotch? What's your goal? You're so awesome you feel it's your duty to speak the truth and cut other people down?

norskman2 05-26-2013 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by prior121 (Post 1416124)
I shared no stories/details. I haven't heard good things. Do people tend to over exaggerate on the line? Yes, but when you hear stuff over and over. You make your own assumptions.
I stand by what I wrote.

You may stand by what you wrote, Captain Anonymous, but assaulting someone's character, BY NAME, on a public message board is way over any line of decency.

Say what you want in the crew room or in cockpit (and it sounds like you do), but don't do it here. I don't care how good of a pilot or a person you are, but someone somewhere out there has an ax to grind against you too I'm sure.

MatchPoint 05-26-2013 12:37 PM

I don't know PhoenixFlood but he’s earned the tip of my hat for enduring something so horrific and then returning not just to aviation but making it to the right seat of a 121 carrier. In my books Floods a stand-up man, not just for that but for coming on here and confronting those who are attempting to slandering him and doing so in a civil manner. To me that shows outstanding character!!

The only results these two individuals have accomplished by slander this guy on a public forum is destroying their own reputation and creditability.

DisbandtheRLA 05-26-2013 01:57 PM

I've had PhoenixFlood in my jump seat. I don't fly for his company, nor have I ever crewed with him, but he was a nice guy and had an amazing story to tell. He has had to overcome more than most any of us other guys can imagine. This thread has been ruined by a few people and I too would urge the mods to shut it down. If you are going to call out a line pilot by name on here, have the courage to use your own name. Regardless of merit, This is the wrong place and wrong way to do it.

The Drizzle 05-26-2013 02:21 PM


Originally Posted by prior121 (Post 1416124)
I shared no stories/details. I haven't heard good things. Do people tend to over exaggerate on the line? Yes, but when you hear stuff over and over. You make your own assumptions.
I stand by what I wrote.

A coward AND a follower of crowds.

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Originally Posted by DryMotorBoatin (Post 1416138)
But why? Really...why? What's the point to run the guy through the mud true or not? Do you feel a lil bigger? Your pants get a lil tighter in the crotch? What's your goal? You're so awesome you feel it's your duty to speak the truth and cut other people down?

He obviously didn't pay attention to Mr. Rodgers when he was a kid. He/she needs some lessons on being a good person.

80ktsClamp 05-26-2013 05:14 PM

Ugh... those of you spreading these rumors should be absolutely ashamed of yourselves. How incredibly childish and lacking of backbone.

PhoenixFlood- congrats on overcoming all the adversity you have.

crazy pills 05-28-2013 08:44 PM

Hey my bad, the person I heard the photo story from sounded like they knew the person that it happened to. Sorry to ruin the "sanctity" of APC.

Herb Flemmming 05-28-2013 11:24 PM


Originally Posted by PhoenixFlood (Post 1415782)
Because corporate gossip is always factual.

And since this is on the Internet that must make it true.

There was in fact one single incident, which I do regret, but it did not involve a photograph. It did involve a conversation with the then CP but it wasn't until 3 other FO's wrote letters complaining about this individual that action was taken against him.

This incident happen about 4 years ago now. I was very frustrated with flying with this individual. I was frustrated of being on reserve for going on two years straight with a crumbling marriage at home. I was frustrated with hearing of others just one month senior to me never spending more than a month of reserve. I was missing my son growing up and I was constantly flying with an individual who tested my skills and patience.

I vented, regretfully, on Facebook with the comment "I'm glad I kept my CFI current because I needed it today, unfortunately my student was my captain. ". No names were mentioned. However, someone did the homework and quickly knew who I was talking about. They made an anonymous call on the company safety hotline refusing the next trip with this individual citing my Facebook comment as the reason, on an answering machine no less.

Naturally the union PSC called me and told me it wasn't professional. I couldn't argue with that. They also told me they were aware of the individual already and were trying to work with him.

As stated earlier, I do in fact have a type A personality. I was very vocal about this individual. So naturally when the action was taken against this individual, I was clearly the culprit since I was the most vocal. Nevermind three other people actually put it in writing to the CP.

This individual did have his day in court/arbitration. Myself and the 3 other FO's were there to testify. I never took the stand as my statement and story weren't nearly as dramatic as the other 3 stories.

The photograph in the cockpit stories began snowballing from there in a childish game of "I saw Ferris get sick at 31 flavors night".

Why would there be corporate gossip? We heard your story on the Republic Holdings gossip.

"I'm glad I kept my CFI current because I needed it today, unfortunately my student was my captain. ".

Take it easy...Capt right seat.

Imapilot2 05-29-2013 04:26 AM


Originally Posted by PhoenixFlood (Post 1415782)
Because corporate gossip is always factual.

And since this is on the Internet that must make it true.

There was in fact one single incident, which I do regret, but it did not involve a photograph. It did involve a conversation with the then CP but it wasn't until 3 other FO's wrote letters complaining about this individual that action was taken against him.


This incident happen about 4 years ago now. I was very frustrated with flying with this individual. I was frustrated of being on reserve for going on two years straight with a crumbling marriage at home. I was frustrated with hearing of others just one month senior to me never spending more than a month of reserve.
[I]This surprised me. After all the grief , worry and fighting you went through to make it to the airlines, it only took two sh!tty years on reserve for you to say this. I wonder if back in '07 you would have believed that just two years later you would feel this way.

Congrats on your story though I hope it becomes what you initially thought you were fighting for.[/I]




I was missing my son growing up and I was constantly flying with an individual who tested my skills and patience.

I vented, regretfully, on Facebook with the comment "I'm glad I kept my CFI current because I needed it today, unfortunately my student was my captain. ". No names were mentioned. However, someone did the homework and quickly knew who I was talking about. They made an anonymous call on the company safety hotline refusing the next trip with this individual citing my Facebook comment as the reason, on an answering machine no less.

Naturally the union PSC called me and told me it wasn't professional. I couldn't argue with that. They also told me they were aware of the individual already and were trying to work with him.

As stated earlier, I do in fact have a type A personality. I was very vocal about this individual. So naturally when the action was taken against this individual, I was clearly the culprit since I was the most vocal. Nevermind three other people actually put it in writing to the CP.

This individual did have his day in court/arbitration. Myself and the 3 other FO's were there to testify. I never took the stand as my statement and story weren't nearly as dramatic as the other 3 stories.

The photograph in the cockpit stories began snowballing from there in a childish game of "I saw Ferris get sick at 31 flavors night".

Just a thought.

PhoenixFlood 05-29-2013 06:14 AM


Originally Posted by Imapilot2 (Post 1417644)
Just a thought.

Imapilot2, you're absolutely correct on that thought. I was very ashamed on where my attitude had taken me. What lead me on that path was a very demanding, unsupportive home network. While people congratulated me on my accomplishment, I was made out to be a deadbeat dad. Eventhough I spent every precious minute of my 11 days off, minus commuting, I was still considered to be abandoning my child. This resulted in my attitude becoming very resentful and bitter over my situation. The problem has been rectified at home and my son and I are very much happier now, however now I still bear the guilt and shame of my previous actions and I accept it and deal it with it as they come up, like right now for instance.

Herb, I was referring to prior121's post of his hearing stories while working in the corporate office. After working many office cubical jobs I've become accustomed to the typical cubical, watercooler, breakroom gossip that pertained to nobody involved but all feeling they deserved to provide their two cents plus an added five cents to make the story more exciting, each time twisting the story beyond the original. That was my original reference.

ShyGuy 05-29-2013 10:22 PM

I hope your marriage was able to survive. Regional reserve is the worst!


Your story in that article shows just how much one can overcome with dedication, the right attitude, etc

AirbornPegasus 05-30-2013 04:39 AM

First Officer Flood - you are testament to the fortitude and character that is so terribly lacking in this industry. Your commitment to overcome obstacles, set and achieve goals, and accept the shortcomings of our society is a tribute to what America used to stand for.

Unfortunately, our society has deteriorated in many cases to nameless keyboard commandos contributing to an ever-increasing degradation of our society through social media. You stand tall among those in our industry who truly want to make things better for themselves and pilots as a whole.

All of us will make mistakes, have issues out of our control, and have blessings come to us in abundance. Your ability to take responsibility for the first and make the most of the other two is what sets you apart.

I pray your personal life will continue to allow you to pursue your dreams and that God will continue to provide you the perseverance to look past and forgive those who wish to somehow think those in the spot light should be perfect.

May God continue to give you strength.

Imapilot2 05-30-2013 05:33 AM

never mind.....

slammer1906 05-30-2013 07:16 AM

I only eat my wings w/ranch and my salad w/blue cheese and not vice versa. Am I alone on this??


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