TonyC

Why would management encourage a pilot to destroy his ability to vote?






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JetJock16

Personally I feel that SKW would continue to whipsaw the two pilot groups against each other using the possibility of more flying. After all that's what they're going now. If we vote in ALPA the only way to stop this from happening is to merger the labor groups and that would be a blood bath with neither side wanting to give on DOH vs. % Based.

JetJock16

Apparently you've never taken the time to look around our website. "About Unions" has been there for YEARS!

No Offense, it’s not new.

ghilis101

the alpa vote will fail, but I commend the organizing committee and those of you who worked tirelessly for the possibility of advancing your pilot group. Solidarity has always been a weak point at skywest (case in point the royal a$$ f$$king of the emb pilots last winter).

for those of you that are anti alpa, i hope that you give your career a lot of thought. at some point when you go on to your next airline, you will be paying union dues. DO NOT take your anti union attitude with you to your next airline. enjoy your 1.95% now and suck it up when you move on, and ACTIVELY participate in your future union. The industry will only be as strong as those who engage in the issues and push for proper pay and work rules. And if I fly along side you in the future, I will ask if you voted ALPA, and if you say "no," it will be one quiet cockpit. But for your sake I hope the question comes up in your interview and your dismissed before you can cause any trouble. but hey, jetblue, skybus, and virgin would be great places for you. good luck

rjboy

Many of us who are voting no are not anti-union. We just feel that ALPA is not the right organization for us. I personally wish we would have voted in the in house union of 4 years ago. It would be better to go through some growing pains with a new organization that we knew we could trust. If the vote doesn't pass at SKW it will not be due to pilot's being anti-union. It will be due to ALPA's inability to give us any confidence that we would be better off with them representing us.

TonyC

The "them" to whom you refer is YOU.


ALPA National doesn't send a contingent of goons to represent you. YOUR MEC will be composed of YOUR pilots who YOU elect. It could be the very same people that might serve in an "In-house" (reinvent the wheel) union, but they would have the support and infrastructure that is unmatched in the industry. Your contract would be negotiated by YOUR pilots on YOUR negotiating team, but they would have the resources and expertise of 75 years of negotiating to back them up.


ALPA is not THEY -- ALPA is WE.




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doug_or

Coming from an ALPA pilot group to SkyWest, I really don't understand the inhouse push. If you've expressed the opinion that it would be superior to ALPA I'd like to know how? In my (very limited experience) ALPA national wasn't there to hold anyone back. It was an expereinced and powerful organization with deep pockets that supported our airline's MEC (who liked to slack, screw stuff up, and engage in petty infighting).

Solidarity doesn't seem to be strong here, but I really do believe in our pilots, and having met and talked to local SAPA reps, I believe we have the sort of people that would make a good MEC. I believe SkyWest ALPA would be cheaper, more powerful, and more usefull than anything inhouse.

edit: looks like TonyC said better and first.

Airsupport

posted on another thread.

I was thinking the same thing.. maybe alpa wouldn't work at skywest.. their doesn't appear to be any unity among the pilot group. (just look at the last vote on the pay scales, who cares about those guys who fly the bros right??). I also think that is why alpa works at pinnacle.. we may not have the best pay and work rules, but we are unified in getting them written down in a solid contract, not just an agreement. if you were to hold a strike vote today the return would undoubtedly be over 95 percent at pinnacle. if you held one at skywest it would be the bro's vs the rj's.. and believe me i know several people at skywest who would love to strike.. the funny thing is they aren't as mad at management as they are at their fellow pilots

JetJock16

You just don't understand how it works do you? TonyC said it, WE NEGOTIATE OUR TA!!!!! Not ALPA, they are merely a resource when it comes to paralegal, Aero Medical, Financial Insight, etc. Your lack of understanding leads me to believe you haven't completed or even started your research. That you have been brain washed by the ignorant, not stupid (don’t misinterpret), but those who have compiled their opinions based upon a 1.95% ignorance. If we had gone through the negotiating process with an in-house union 4 years ago, that was going through “GROWING PAINS,” we would be living and working through a crappie TA negotiated by the ignorance of others. At least ALPA will have the experience to guide us as we learn the ins and outs.

I mean you no disrespect, it’s just that your posting shows a lack of knowledge and that all we what is for you to educate yourselves on the facts instead of Mgmnt misleading arguments. This is critical so you can make an educated decision. I’m not saying that ALPA hasn’t pulled a trick or two but as educated pilots we should be able to educate ourselves through our own efforts, not Mgmnt or ALPA’s for that matter.

Take the time to learn the facts for yourself, it’s obvious to date you have not.

JetJock16

It's sad but you’re correct. There is not unity here at SKW. I think that Mgmnt understands that and has put into place many "tricks of the trade" to ensure its continuation. Mgmnt wants to keep it’s "delusional" pilots from infecting the rest of the group with a since of brotherhood.