Ahhhhh...........he get's it! Leave it to an Ausi to bring a calm and leveled headed point to the debate.

 

Air,

I'm not going to call you name or tell you that you're stupid but....

If your contract is one of the lowest around you can't say you "did nothing i.e. no concessions to get this contract"

Bro, by being at the bottom of the pay scale, you are, by proxy "doing something"

your rates are lower, your 401k match is lower, he11 your per diem is lower. Now I don't know if your boss bid on a lower margin like truman said, but it does sound like a safe bet. If everything you (as a company) do is lower it makes it harder for our company to sign a good contract and bring the industry average up.

you yourself said that your 900 rates are going to be decided by an arbitrator. So where do they look for "competitve rates"?

Are you getting it? If your company comes in and low balls (pilots and management) and we can't fight to jack the rates, so when the mediator looks to competive rates we were only able to raise the bar to here__ when if we didn't have to compete with the low ball carrier we could have squeeze a few more nickels out of management. Thusly, the mediator sees our bigger number and gives you more.

Am I making sense? Every day our management came to us and said Pinnacle and Mesa are willing to do this........

You guys are union and I appluad your efforts, but if the younger guys that go there get upgrade obcessed and settle for a marginal contract then you will remain the low ball carrier and hurt the industry.

Good luck on your contract negotiation. I hope you guys get at least $110 an hour for the 900 and you get per diem up to 2.00/hr and you get 100% match on 401k contribution. Then you've done your share and we will all be throwing accolades at you rather than insults.

Good luck,

Stick

 

maybe I lectured to quickly, this post does seem to imply you get it, but I think my fear that some of your pilots are willing to take quick upgrades for a crap contract were confirmed.

If I had a nickel for every guy that thought the regionals were just going to be a stepping stone in 2001, my retirement worries would be over.

Cheers,

Stick

 

yeah i would love to see those kinds of 900 rates, but we wont get that until we have a new contract. 110 is the high end of the scale so there is no way in hell the arbitrator is going to give us that right off the bat. and i think you are being a little to quick to judge.. saying i am doing something is like saying anyone who went to skywest after they only gave the bro guys a 10cent raise is just helping management keep rates down, or anyone who went to asa in the last 5 years is only making things worse while they didn't have a contract, etc, etc.. doesn't make much sense does it? everyone comes into the industry at different times. saying we won the flying by low balling isn't ver accurate either.. of course if the company is using a contract that is over 7 years old it is going to be cheaper than the next guy. that only makes sense. but they are smart enough to know that we wont continue on like this forever and that at some point we will have a contract and those things will change.

remember i never said pinnacle is perfect, and i never said i came here for quick upgrades, i came here to be home with my family. also remember i haven't taken a crappy contract for a quick upgrade, we are in negotiations, if it isn't to my liking then i will vote no, if we don't get one, i will strike,, like i said in my previous post, after the skywest guys signed that embarassing pay raise, anyone according to you who went there afterwards is just ruining the business.... almost every regional airline is at some sort of bad juncture at all times,, and everyone is ready to move to the regionals at different times... you probably wouldn't be lecturing me if i were to get hired at asa after their new contract is signed.. but you would before huh?? see how that makes no sense.

 

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