Who would you rather fly with...
10-07-2007 | 05:32 PM
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I've always wondered what you learn beyond 50hrs of multi? You learn to push and jiggle both power levers to get them in sync. I've always felt that maybe I'm missing something that everyone else must know. What do you think?
10-07-2007 | 06:50 PM
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10-07-2007 | 07:04 PM
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On a serious note, after 1000 hours military, most of it in the Hornet, the most significant thing that I learned is that I don't know what I don't know.
Solo the T-34... I thought I was the man, then I selected jets... thought I was the man, solo'd T-2's and started flying some cool formations... thought I was the man, solo'd T-45's, started dropping bombs, doing some dogfighting, landed on an aircraft carrier...thought I was the man. Selected Hornets...thought I was the man. Dropped some bigger bombs, learned some cooler dogfighting tricks, did the carrier thing again...thought I was the man. Got to the fleet and got my ass handed to me several times and realized, no, no, no, I am NOT the man. And I will freely admit, when you get that glimpse of realization at just how much you don't know, its rather eye opening to say the least, even more so when you realize you don't even know what you don't know.
I agree with the answers above that fall in line with it matters not how many hours you have, but what you learned along the way in getting the hours you have.
Solo the T-34... I thought I was the man, then I selected jets... thought I was the man, solo'd T-2's and started flying some cool formations... thought I was the man, solo'd T-45's, started dropping bombs, doing some dogfighting, landed on an aircraft carrier...thought I was the man. Selected Hornets...thought I was the man. Dropped some bigger bombs, learned some cooler dogfighting tricks, did the carrier thing again...thought I was the man. Got to the fleet and got my ass handed to me several times and realized, no, no, no, I am NOT the man. And I will freely admit, when you get that glimpse of realization at just how much you don't know, its rather eye opening to say the least, even more so when you realize you don't even know what you don't know.
I agree with the answers above that fall in line with it matters not how many hours you have, but what you learned along the way in getting the hours you have.
10-07-2007 | 09:37 PM
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10-08-2007 | 07:44 AM
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My problem with the 400 hour guy with high multi is that he's probably never set foot outside the academy. His lack of real world experience limits what he can bring to the cockpit.
There is something to be said for having more time and getting that time in a challenging environment where nobody is holding your hand or telling you what to do.
I'm not a big fan of pilot factories. In the end, both pilots could suck or both could bend over to give their best effort. Attitude is an important thing. And there is no substitute for experience.
There is something to be said for having more time and getting that time in a challenging environment where nobody is holding your hand or telling you what to do.
I'm not a big fan of pilot factories. In the end, both pilots could suck or both could bend over to give their best effort. Attitude is an important thing. And there is no substitute for experience.
10-08-2007 | 07:49 AM
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I usually try to stay away from these as I'm not entirely sure I can attest well enough to that question, being i'm not the sharpest tool in the shed.
However, when presented with this type of a question I always ask myself....wouldn't you rather have the guy who regardless of thier TT or ME time for that matter would perhaps be.... humble?... Dare I say get out of thier seat if only to drag one more gate checked bag down to the cargo loading guys just because it's a nice thing to do?
Somebody who when given a hold can subtract the reserve(+ALTN) fuel from the FOB and give you a rough estimate as to how many minutes of hold you have left in you without scrambling an FMS keyboard for that?...
Wouldn't you rather have the guy who would say heck I'm not sure, but I do believe it's this way or the other... and then give you the leeway to think and maybe even do what you think within given parameters (read safety margin) so you could actually learn in a good way and not by being yelled at with no reason and without even seeing the results of your decision? (FOs and CAs alike...)
Finally, I would rather fly with the one who can do all of the above and in the worst morning, a reduced rest morning after 5 legs the day before and before 4 long ones today could get into his seat, do his job quietly, in a humble way, be patient with me and then just then, smile and adore a beautiful sunrise on the horizon and be thankful we all have jobs and ones that we like.
However, when presented with this type of a question I always ask myself....wouldn't you rather have the guy who regardless of thier TT or ME time for that matter would perhaps be.... humble?... Dare I say get out of thier seat if only to drag one more gate checked bag down to the cargo loading guys just because it's a nice thing to do?
Somebody who when given a hold can subtract the reserve(+ALTN) fuel from the FOB and give you a rough estimate as to how many minutes of hold you have left in you without scrambling an FMS keyboard for that?...
Wouldn't you rather have the guy who would say heck I'm not sure, but I do believe it's this way or the other... and then give you the leeway to think and maybe even do what you think within given parameters (read safety margin) so you could actually learn in a good way and not by being yelled at with no reason and without even seeing the results of your decision? (FOs and CAs alike...)
Finally, I would rather fly with the one who can do all of the above and in the worst morning, a reduced rest morning after 5 legs the day before and before 4 long ones today could get into his seat, do his job quietly, in a humble way, be patient with me and then just then, smile and adore a beautiful sunrise on the horizon and be thankful we all have jobs and ones that we like.
10-08-2007 | 08:05 AM
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