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Old 10-19-2007 | 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by MobiusOne
Well, the original question wasn't answered, which is why is this a bad thing?

Aside from undercutting a new hire, wouldn't it make sense for a Comair pilot to accrue seniority while working for Comair as a... pilot?
It's obviously bad because they are giving you a seniority number instead of raising pay. It costs them nothing to give you a seniority number. Pretty simple, if they need more pilots, raise pay. Union should definitely not be letting this happen.

Think about this (hypothetical situation), you do this and you are at Comair building your hours, DCA now has this same agreement but now with Delta. You are screwed, you are upset because someone else is cutting in line.

Is this really happening, I understand the extra pay is happening, but are people really getting a seniority number?
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Old 10-19-2007 | 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Window_Seat
It's obviously bad because they are giving you a seniority number instead of raising pay. It costs them nothing to give you a seniority number. Pretty simple, if they need more pilots, raise pay. Union should definitely not be letting this happen.

Think about this (hypothetical situation), you do this and you are at Comair building your hours, DCA now has this same agreement but now with Delta. You are screwed, you are upset because someone else is cutting in line.

Is this really happening, I understand the extra pay is happening, but are people really getting a seniority number?
I thought the seniority number was what it was all about. That's why there is this mad rush to get into the regionals to begin with. If you can lock in a seniority number sooner, the better, right?
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Old 10-19-2007 | 09:01 AM
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Better for you, if you're at DCA. Not better for the guys you cut in front of who are off the street.

There is no need for DCA to reinvent the wheel here as a marketing ploy.
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Old 10-19-2007 | 09:05 AM
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It may be good for YOU, but its bad for the group. Instead of paying pilots professional wages when they find it hard to lure any more suckers in (myself included), they lower the entrance bar to prey upon those who don't know any better. When I was a 400 hour CFI, I would've been ecstatic to have a guranteed chance to sit in the front seat of a jet and log time. I probably would've done it for free. After you work in the business for a while, you learn that your skills are valuable and should not be given away. Sure, this may give the individual a leg up right now, but they are just selling short the value of their skills. How would you feel if you did your DCA stint but then I walked in with 2000 hours to COMAIR and was offered "advanced standing" because of my expereince? I'm sure you'd be ****ed for violating seniority. Seniority accrues from the day you start doing the JOB, not some random other date. We might as well start merit based upgrades next.
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Old 10-19-2007 | 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by MobiusOne
I thought the seniority number was what it was all about. That's why there is this mad rush to get into the regionals to begin with. If you can lock in a seniority number sooner, the better, right?
Stop just thinking about yourself and look at the whole picture. that would be great for you, but trading pay and work rules for a seniority number is not good for the industry.

You have to think about why comair would like to do this? What is comair getting or not having to give up so they can dangle a seniority carrot in front of you. Think about that then get back to me. Hint, refer to above paragraph.

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Old 10-19-2007 | 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by de727ups
Better for you, if you're at DCA. Not better for the guys you cut in front of who are off the street.

There is no need for DCA to reinvent the wheel here as a marketing ploy.


Ahhhh...... okay. Gotcha.
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Old 10-19-2007 | 09:42 AM
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We are just trying to educate you, don' take it personal. have a good day
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Originally Posted by Window_Seat
We are just trying to educate you, don' take it personal. have a good day
Never mind.

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Old 10-19-2007 | 09:51 AM
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This is a professional forum. Cursing and swearing will get your posts deleted. There is no reason for that when trying to make your point.
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Old 10-19-2007 | 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by de727ups
This is a professional forum. Cursing and swearing will get your posts deleted. There is no reason for that when trying to make your point.
Sorry, I apologize.

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