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Old 10-27-2007 | 04:35 PM
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Or DL can hand more flying to the likes of Mesa or 9E.
And that my friend is exactly the mentality the company wants you to have.

That is EXACTLY the Race To The Bottom mentality.
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Old 10-27-2007 | 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Tinpusher007
Or DL can hand more flying to the likes of Mesa or 9E.
Geezzus whats next flying a 737 for regional pay come on people grow a pair
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Old 10-27-2007 | 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by dba74
Speaking of pulling together, I am not "most" pilots as I fly the 700 and am being offered an insulting 1.0% raise (77 cents per hour). Keep in mind this pay rate applies to up to 76 seats now (9% more seats) so the pay increase would need to be 9% more just to remain the same proportionally. Also keep in mind that the large RJ's are where the growth is, and that 200's and ATR's are not.

ASA pilots on the 200 and ATR need to stand unified on this issue and vote no on the TA. Even if you are not willing to stand up for your own brothers and sisters on the 700, realize from a selfish point of view that if you vote no, the TA can ONLY GET BETTER!

One of the most basic rules of negotiating is to never accept the first offer.

You see this is what im talking about...i knew you guys were gonna back me up at some point...hahaha. you got my support man....you deserve more....we all do!
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Old 10-28-2007 | 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by dba74
Speaking of pulling together, I am not "most" pilots as I fly the 700 and am being offered an insulting 1.0% raise (77 cents per hour). Keep in mind this pay rate applies to up to 76 seats now (9% more seats) so the pay increase would need to be 9% more just to remain the same proportionally. Also keep in mind that the large RJ's are where the growth is, and that 200's and ATR's are not.

ASA pilots on the 200 and ATR need to stand unified on this issue and vote no on the TA. Even if you are not willing to stand up for your own brothers and sisters on the 700, realize from a selfish point of view that if you vote no, the TA can ONLY GET BETTER!

One of the most basic rules of negotiating is to never accept the first offer.
I don't want to come off the wrong way but you’re getting caught up in an hourly rate. You seem to be forgetting your newly acquired quarantines and trip rig. I don't think you quite understand what this is going to do for you guys. Due to the guarantees the average pilot at SKW gets paid about 150-200 hours more than they block. YTD I've only blocked 689 hours but I've been paid for 1037. By the end of the year I'll be around 1250 on less than 850 hours of block. Compare that to your Block/Credit?

So if your newly acquired guarantees add 150 hours to your pay then that's a 15% raise dependent on your block. You're not seeing this but you'll feel it! When you look back over your year and compare it to what you would have been paid under your old contract, you'll be amazed. You'll see one of two scenarios, either less block for the same pay or the same block for 15+% more pay. Either way you win!

So many pilots get caught up in the hourly rate and forget about its foundation. Guarantees & rigs are far more important than additional $2-3 an hour.

2nd Yr CR7 FO:

$2 more an hr on a 1000 hr yr. = $2000 MAX!

150 hrs of pay @ $37/hr = $5550 Variable!

4th Yr CA CR2:

$2 more an hr on a 1000 hr yr = $2000 MAX!
$4 more an hr on a 1000 hr yr = $4000 MAX!

150 hrs of pay @ $62 (?) = $9300 Variable!

My first full year on line I flew 989 hours and was paid for 1216 hours, yes it should have been more becuase 1st year pay is BS. I know several 3 & 4 year CA here at SKW that are making close $80K+ because they know how to work the system.

Do the math after 6 months and you'll see just how big of a raise you've just received! It's called a solid pay foundation.

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Old 10-28-2007 | 08:29 AM
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Well said. Thanks for pointing that out. Many ASA pilots are failing to see this!
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Old 10-28-2007 | 08:56 AM
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Nice break out JetJock, thanks.
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Old 10-28-2007 | 09:36 AM
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All aspects of the contract considered, it truly beats most out there.
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Old 10-28-2007 | 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
Just one more reason folks need to get their head out of their arses and realize this ain't just an entry-level job anymore. Working for an RJ operator very well could be your LAST job, period...and with every CRJ-900 and E175 delivered that becomes more and more of a reality.

Pilots need to fight and be willing to make sacrifices (including striking) to get compensation and work rules requisite with the responsibility of flying larger aircraft...and if they aren't then they deserve every penny they don't get.


Then quit hiring entry level people.
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Old 10-28-2007 | 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by CaribPilot
All aspects of the contract considered, it truly beats most out there.
No not most! You'd be hard pressed to find a pilot group with a better contract, I guarantee your W2's are the highest in the industry next year. Yes some areas but over all, ASA got the ball.

Lets get in the game SKW! Lets go RAH, AWAC and MAG!
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Old 10-28-2007 | 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by JetJock16
I don't want to come off the wrong way but you’re getting caught up in an hourly rate. You seem to be forgetting your newly acquired quarantines and trip rig. I don't think you quite understand what this is going to do for you guys.

So many pilots get caught up in the hourly rate and forget about its foundation. Guarantees & rigs are far more important than additional $2-3 an hour.

It's called a solid pay foundation.
Please educate me about "quarantines". If you mean guarantee, then tell me what our new minimum monthly guarantee is in the TA. P.S. I already know the answer. It's exactly the same: 75.00 hours/ month. The rig does very little in that you get paid 1 hour of block for every 2 hours of duty, i.e. 6 hours of block on a 12 hour duty day. Most of our existing block/ duty ratios are already this way. I want a good guarantee AND rig AND hourly pay. We are being offered none of these. I am trying to raise the bar for ASA and the industry and I would appreciate if you all would do the same. Even if you like the TA, vote no, and they will improve it even more.
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