Min daily guarantee of 3:45, daily duty 2:1 with 1:1 over 12 hours. These are MIN guarantees!

You should be able to figure it out! Don't be naive and think this will not affect you when you hold a line or break guarantee. As far as the 75 hours is concerned................do you really not understand its purpose? It has no bearing on line holders other than the minimum a line should be created to, it's truly there for reserves? That's why it's called a guarantee! It’s there so reserves can be paid a guaranteed amount if they don’t fly. If you’re a line holder and you drop trips causing your credit to be below the guarantee then you voluntarily forfeit your rights to the guarantee.

With these guarantees your average pairing will net 1+ hours of additional credit dependent upon its length.

BTW, what would a stand-up pay at ASA?

Say 12:52 duty on 4 hours of block? With your guarantees it will pay 6:52.

Next month we have MEM stand-ups that credit 6:44 on 2:50 block and you get 8:54 of rest. Now that's a great stand up, bid it 5 times in a row and get 33:10 credit on 13:40 block. If you want, bid it twelve times (month) for a total of 80:48 credit on 34 hrs of block and get 18-19 days off. Just an example!

 

Yo man, min guarantee is pretty sweet for folks who pickup. I've done quite a few 2hr-3hr pickups. However in the past when I was obsesive on pickups I'd get the 1 hour CSG turns. You better believe we wanted min guarantee then.

This is just something that will protect pickup guys from low block pickups... Otherwise divide 75 by 3.75 and let the light turn on.

JetJock16 are you inciting a p***ing contest? Don't forget to vote yes JetJock16.

 

75 divided by 3.75 is for reserves. But if you have a trip that begins with one leg late at night that blocks 1:30 you’ll be paid 3:45 for the first day instead of 1:30. This is great because we all want commutable trips.

DAY 1 Show: 18:45 End: 20:15

19:00-20:00 ATL-BHM 1:00 blck 3:45 cdt

TOTAL: 02:30 duty 1:00 blck 3:45 cdt

Day 2 Show: 9:15 End: 06:15

10:00-11:00 BHM-ATL 1:00 blck 1:00 cdt
11:30-01:45 ATL-MKE 2:15 blck 2:15 cdt
02:15-04:30 MKE-ATL 2:15 blck 2:15 cdt
05:00-06:00 ATL-GSP 1:00 blck 1:00 cdt

TOTAL: 08:00 duty 6:30 blck 6:30 cdt

Day 3 Show: 5:45 End: 05:45

06:30-07:30 GSP-ATL 1:00 blck 1:00 cdt
10:00-11:00 ATL-MEM 1:00 blck 1:00 cdt
11:30-12:30 MEM-ATL 1:00 blck 1:00 cdt
04:30-05:30 ATL-BNA 1:00 blck 1:00 cdt

TOTAL: 12:00 duty 4:00 blck 6:00 cdt

Day 4 Show: 5:45 End: 02:15

06:30-07:30 BNA-ATL 1:00 blck 1:00 cdt
08:30-11:00 ATL-HOU 2:30 blck 2:30 cdt
11:30- 2:00 HOU-ATL 2:30 blck 2:30 cdt

TOTAL: 8:30 duty 6:00 blck 6:00 cdt

TRIP TOTALS: 17:30 blck 22:15 cdt

Just an example but what would this pairing pay under your current contract............17:30? With your new contract it pays 4:45 more! Basically it forces the company to work you and if they don't you get paid. Also if they over work you get paid even more! Some pairing will be less and some pairing will be more, I'm sure you can come up with example of each. This should be huge for you ATR guys with your shorter legs.

Regardless, at the end of the year it will all add up and you'll be amazed how much more you were paid. I know everyone at SKW usually is. 150-200 hours more in pay means more to me than $2-$3 more an hour. I'd like to have both, but you can't always have your cake and eat it to. Like I said, you can't expect to jump 30% all at once at the regional level.

Also, doesn't ATR stand for Ain't Temperature Regulated? LOL

BTW, I've already voted yes! We're family and we need to support each other. GO ASA!


ps. Numbers aren't exact block/credit times. This was just to prove a point.

 

Jetjock, I appreciate your support for ASA, and I appreciate you voting ALPA. Let me give you an example of my line next month and how my pay would actually go down with the TA. I fly 13 CDO's (or "naps"). Many have less than 12 hours of duty, but for sake of argument let's average 12 hours which would be 6 hours of pay with the new rig. 13 times 6= 78 hours or 3 hours over minimum guarantee. We currently have underblock pay which pays over the 75 hour guarantee when we fly a leg in less block than it is scheduled for. I usually get about 7 hours a month of underblock pay on top of guarantee, or 82 hours pay. Did I mention that underblock pay is gone in the TA?

Rigs are great, but we CAN have that AND higher hourly rates if everyone sticks together. SKYW is not hurting for money. It's time to get paid what we're worth.

 

Amen, Brother

 

Hey people, I have to agree with jetjock, this contract is very good, it's not the best but it seriously helps boost our W2's. We need really consider what this contract will do for us. The duty rigs will be extremely beneficial, we also have a very good scheduling system and profit sharing. The contract is only three years long, if we don't vote it in it will take a substantially longer time to find agree to another contract. The more time we wait the more our purchasing power is degraded. The Top 700 guys only get a small raise but that raise plus the rigs brings them to the top on the regional industry. We need to get this one voted in, If we do we have a much better chance of getting new contracts and more flying. More flying equates to lower upgrade times and i heard CA's get paid more then FO's.

 

You had me until this part.

Of all the bad reasons to ratify ANY contract, doing so in the hopes of securing growth and faster upgrades is the absolute worst.

 

Why can't we have schedules like that?

It IS possible...... Just that our company refuses to do it.....

 

Where to begin...
You say it's not the best and I agree. You say it will boost our w2's and that is only true if you fly the ATR or 200. The scheduling still allows rescheduling outside your footprint (extending) and junior manning (flying on your days off) among other problems. You say it will take a substantially longer time to negotiate another contract if we vote no. This is absolutely a false misconception that many of you have. It could take literally a few hours to go back to the table and correct the problems. We do not have to start over again, i.e. NOT another 5 years.
You say the rigs bring the 700 guys to the top of the industry. In my above example I show a pay cut. Horizon is the top of the industry, BTW. My counterpart there makes $14/ hour more than me. (18% more)

Then you play into their hands about getting new flying and growth. This is exactly what management wants you to do. It just doesn't work this way. ASA has had some of the lowest 50 seat rates and only until recently did upgrades start happening quickly because Delta (among others) started hiring again. 2 years ago, F/0's were stuck in the right seat 4 or 5 years. Also look at how ASA lost LAX to XJT who has much higher rates of pay.

WE ARE IN CONTROL due to massive pilot shortages, which will only get worse as the legacies continue to hire. DO NOT SELL OUT!

 

1) Skywest will not come to the table nov 21st if we vote no. We can't just call them up and tell jerry to be at a meeting. We will have to go through the NMB which we all know will take forever. Skywest can go back to not agreeing to the 700 rates and maybe 6 months to a year from now we will get 2% on the 700 rates with inflation this means nothing.

2) We almost had CAL flying and lost it because we couldn't give a real estimate on the costs. (don't give me that's just what the company tells you, because you all know ASA desperately wants to get flying with other carriers)

3) Express jet will not make more money then our 700 guys and there payscale reflects that.

4)Horizon has 1/3 of our pilot group's size with an upgrade time of almost a decade on the jet. I'm guessing your counterpart took longer to get to captain then you. With duty rigs I bet you will start to see the same money he/she is making. Also horizon is one company with only a handful of jet drivers, how many other 700 drivers will make as much as you do?

I just don't see this contract as selling out, it significantly increases 1st year QOL, gives a substantial increase to the majority of the pilot group while increasing 700 rates higher then most regionals (with exception to horizon) and positions us for future growth. ASA will not be my retirement airline so if you want to fight for that extra couple percent then vote no i understand where you are coming from I just don't agree. There definately is a pilot shortage but we should be realistic with our goals and future.