Do I Have A Future Here?
#115
True but that is also true of many professions. Not EVERY doctor makes $500K, not EVERY lawyer makes $500K, not EVERY dentist makes $300K, etc....you get my point. The way I look at it is like this.....there are some great paying flying jobs and SOMEONE has them. There is no reason it can't be me. If it doesn't pan out, with my nursing degree, I can get a job tomorrow making a MINIMUM of 50K a year....I can even make $100K if I work like a FRIGGING DOG (whop dee doo) at the hospital for the rest of my life (the thought makes me sick but if I HAD to, I can). It's all about planning ahead and having a backup no matter what profession you choose.
Now if we can just keep guys from signing concessionary contracts to get more growth. I never understood the concept of doing more work for less money, can we stop doing that as a profession.
I'm glad our future at FedEx is in large airplanes, to keep the regional jets away from this industry!
#116
No matter what there are fewer and fewer good jobs to be had every year. The fact is that most will not make it to a good major. Most will not have a good working situation. Most will suffer a miserible career as mentioned in the web site this thread is dedicated to.
The odds are heavily stacked against a regular guy making it to someplace good. The dream simply doesnt exsist for the majority. Right now UPS has over 1000 applications on file alone from sitting RJ captains with more than 1000 hours in type as PIC. I can only imagine how many military superstars, corporate and turbine guys are also on file. I bet it is over 18,000 for a chance at less than a few hundred openings each year.
Pilots ripen like fruit and only have a small time window to get picked before they drop to the ground. The only stragety we have is to hopefully reach a point when we can apply during a time when the better companies are hiring and pray. I don't care how hard you try if you do not have that extra edge like internal contacts your dreams will fall short.
A successful pilot career needs luck, determination and strong internal contacts. Keeping your eye on the ball has lead to plenty of accidental regional careers. I do not and never have wanted a regional or corporate career. I don't like the odds and have choosen to take circumstances into my own hands and have been able to achieve an even better life than I was hoping for as a pilot.
SkyHigh
The odds are heavily stacked against a regular guy making it to someplace good. The dream simply doesnt exsist for the majority. Right now UPS has over 1000 applications on file alone from sitting RJ captains with more than 1000 hours in type as PIC. I can only imagine how many military superstars, corporate and turbine guys are also on file. I bet it is over 18,000 for a chance at less than a few hundred openings each year.
Pilots ripen like fruit and only have a small time window to get picked before they drop to the ground. The only stragety we have is to hopefully reach a point when we can apply during a time when the better companies are hiring and pray. I don't care how hard you try if you do not have that extra edge like internal contacts your dreams will fall short.
A successful pilot career needs luck, determination and strong internal contacts. Keeping your eye on the ball has lead to plenty of accidental regional careers. I do not and never have wanted a regional or corporate career. I don't like the odds and have choosen to take circumstances into my own hands and have been able to achieve an even better life than I was hoping for as a pilot.
SkyHigh
#118
Does anyone have a future here?
Aviation; on a downhill trend since 1978 and the bottom is no where in sight. Most of the people on this forum have as much as 35 years ahead to edure this profession. Every new generation seems braced to accept even less than the former one. Every indutry slowdown rachets the bar even lower.
A successful stragety is to purse aviation as a hobby job. Even now most who are able to hang on have some sort of external support like a spouse with a good job, retirement from a former career or parents who bankroll their airline offsprings lifestye.
If anyone cares to look there are patterns in aviation. There is usually a combination of common factors that keep pilots in the seat. Fall outside of that and your career is over. It is my belief that most pilot advancement at the regionals is from pilots who have reached the end of the line only to learn that there is no major airline job for them. The regionals are turning over so fast that they are still young enough to quit and pursue other intrests outside of aviation.
There is a future but it is going to cost you.
SkyHigh
Aviation; on a downhill trend since 1978 and the bottom is no where in sight. Most of the people on this forum have as much as 35 years ahead to edure this profession. Every new generation seems braced to accept even less than the former one. Every indutry slowdown rachets the bar even lower.
A successful stragety is to purse aviation as a hobby job. Even now most who are able to hang on have some sort of external support like a spouse with a good job, retirement from a former career or parents who bankroll their airline offsprings lifestye.
If anyone cares to look there are patterns in aviation. There is usually a combination of common factors that keep pilots in the seat. Fall outside of that and your career is over. It is my belief that most pilot advancement at the regionals is from pilots who have reached the end of the line only to learn that there is no major airline job for them. The regionals are turning over so fast that they are still young enough to quit and pursue other intrests outside of aviation.
There is a future but it is going to cost you.
SkyHigh
#119
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So if this is such a dismal industry again we ask why are you continuing to lurk on these boards and just bash the industry and us pilots at every chance? I mean you say you are "saving lives" (which is a crock) but I hate to tell you that the only folks you MAY be reaching are the young kids thinking of being airline pilots. The majority of them all have SJS and will look at your posts as the rants of some bitter old coot so really your spinning your wheels. I bet if we were really privy to all the "personal messages" of thank you you get we'd really see you just used the fact that since we aren't privy to it, you used it as a made up idea to support your case. I, like most, call BS but I'm sure you'll have some drole, negative comment to that just like the rest of the other posts on here.
#120
Thanks...I'm glad too. This was my fifth airline, and after layoff from a "legacy in '90 I stopped thinking like a pilot regarding carrier choices (based on lots of often irrelevant factors in the big picture) and started thinking like an accountant, looking at the core business. If it was obvious to me, it couldn't be that difficult. Since the 60's there has been a "crash" of one sort or another on average every ten years for one reason or another in the passenger biz. The unfortunate truth of it is that due to the seniority system the trick is to be on the proper side of the passing wave, which is largely luck. I have friends at legacies who while suffering pay cuts are still there, with good B-plans, medical and other benefits that you don't have, plus they all have very profitable business' in real estate, etal. They work less than most cubicle monkeys and aren't deep fried in resentment like you. How insane is it to out of one side of your mouth say it sucks, but just can't walk away from it like a man...very twisted. I had friends at USAir who got out, make great money in other industries and are happy. Others went to FedEX, UPS and Southwest and are happy. You on the other hand are obviously miserable, and say that you'd go to a low paying start-up if it was based next door...very twisted. To top it off you now try to sell yourself as a Mother Teresa or Ralph Nader to justify your bitter self-loathing and resentment of those who just can't seem to be as miserable as you. You're no crusader, you're a self ordanied martyr, and a bad one at that. Real martyrs nowadays blow themselves up...get with the program.
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