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Originally Posted by blastoff
(Post 258842)
I think that can be misleading...if they cam to SKW from another 121 carrier, it was probably a lower-tier one (Mesa) in a "forward lateral" career move where everything was bad, including their ALPA.
If their ALPA was bad at Mesa, why didn't ALPA national spend some of the millions of dollars they spent to organize us, there? Why would they let their brand name be so maligned? Why would they tacitly approve members being treated so badly. Why not send folks there to get it on track? Answer... no added revenue. They'd still get the same 1.95% at Mesa, whether is sucks or not. The president of ALPA will still make hundreds of thousands of dollars, like many of the other ALPA officers. But SkyWest was a potential windfall of cash.... worth investing in the potential decades of future new dues payers. |
Originally Posted by TonyWilliams
(Post 258836)
What happens when United pilots want to take our 700 flying? (purely a hypothetical, albeit unrealistic exercise). If we are ALPA also, who do you think wins? I'm guessing the guys paying the most, or who number the most.
Remember, it is not "your" flying. It is United's flying. This industry is not what it used to be because regionals are flying mainline sized aircraft. If mainline flew mainline sized aircraft, this industry would be in a lot better shape. Please don't be selfish. It is better for everyone in the industry if United flies CRJ-700's. |
Originally Posted by TonyWilliams
(Post 258836)
What happens when United pilots want to take our 900 flying? (purely a hypothetical, albeit unrealistic exercise). If we are ALPA also, who do you think wins? I'm guessing the guys paying the most, or who number the most. |
Originally Posted by ryane946
(Post 258859)
Why would you not want United flying CRJ-700's for mainline rates.
What rate do you propose would be fair for a 66-seat aircraft at the mainline? |
Originally Posted by bizzum
(Post 258861)
Then they take it. What color paint is on those airplanes? Who books the pax on those flights? If they want that back at mainline, they take it back. It wont matter if you are represented by God himself, you are a CONTRACTOR who works for them.
I thought my point was made (and it had nothing to do with -700's or -900's). I guess not. Pick any issue. United want their pilots to do ABC, and SkyWest wants their pilots to do ABC also. There's a conflict that needs to be resolved, and it involves the respective pilot groups. That was the issue... it could be ANY issue. I gotta go mow the grass. |
Mainline in general doesnt want the 50-90 seat market because they wont pay what mainline pilots will want to fly those routes. Jeez guys the biz model of most of these large carriers is expansion at mainline with bigger and bigger airplanes and pushing off the under 100 seat market to contractors....
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Exactly, Herc. Exactly.
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Originally Posted by TonyWilliams
(Post 258845)
The key word being "most" pilots? Most will move on, with the ebbs and flows of the industry. That's the business model. Heck, Delta is taking our FO's, no PIC time. Many will stay for a long time (I'm not even sure what I'll do).
You're trying to connect ALPA at a regional, non-union carrier, with ALPA (or any union) already existing at a major that tons of our pilots have already gone to over the decades. I don't see the connection. I'd go to Delta or Southwest, if the money was right. Both are union (different unions). Or I'd stay here and probably be pretty happy over the long haul. Too many look to unionism like a religion. I don't. I'd assess the company, the money, and my quality of life at that carrier. I suspect most do the same. Hope that answers your questions. |
I hope the SkyWest and Colgan failures to unionize will send a wake up call to ALPA that they need to pay more attention to the future of this career instead of only caring about the most senior. The opinion that ALPA doesn't speak for me is rampant among junior pilots everywhere IMO, and I think that sentiment was spoken loudly by these two pilot groups.
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Originally Posted by reelbigchair
(Post 258874)
I hope the SkyWest and Colgan failures to unionize will send a wake up call to ALPA that they need to pay more attention to the future of this career instead of only caring about the most senior. The opinion that ALPA doesn't speak for me is rampant among junior pilots everywhere IMO, and I think that sentiment was spoken loudly by these two pilot groups.
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