circle to land VMC only
#12
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2005
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yeah, you cant circle to land in the clouds, but cloud clearance requirements don't apply to circling approaches. As long as you can "see" the runway you are good.
i know what you mean about busting those books open. i am studying up for upgrade and there are a "few" things i have forgotten.
if they are announcing circle to land approaches then you have to have ceiling and visibility requirements to even start the approach. pretty much at NO time can you go below 1000ft or have visibility less than 3 miles while circiling.
i know what you mean about busting those books open. i am studying up for upgrade and there are a "few" things i have forgotten.
if they are announcing circle to land approaches then you have to have ceiling and visibility requirements to even start the approach. pretty much at NO time can you go below 1000ft or have visibility less than 3 miles while circiling.
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thats a big negative in the crj at pinnacle. if you do not have 1000ft ceiling you CAN NOT CIRCLE TO LAND IN THE CRJ. even with 10 miles visibility. i know it sounds crazy but vis and ceiling are controlling for circle to land approaches for us.
like i said that is in OUR opspecs. maybe some other carriers allow different. but as far as i know that is an faa limitation on circle to land approaches in the crj. you must have Visibility and you must have Ceiling to even begin an approach if the are announcing circle to land approaches. and like rickair said, i am not sure i would want to take the rj to 700 ft and circle around to another runway while trying to maintain within 3 miles of the airport to keep it in sight,, things could get pretty hairy, pretty quick.
more often than you would think. especially at smaller airports that have 1 ils to a runway, but the winds really favor another. so you would shoot the ils till you had the field and then just circle around to the other side.
Last edited by Airsupport; 11-10-2007 at 08:55 AM.
#16
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I have shot many and circled to land at ragged mins ...but that was in the Herky bird..... she was sorta made for that kind of thing.
We had to maintain at least 150 indicated until landing was assured.
We had to maintain at least 150 indicated until landing was assured.
#17
If it's a cross wind, I'd rather land from an ILS with a HUGE XWind rather than circle if there's terrain. If it's a tailwind exceeding limits...then you gotta circle.
#19
VMC is not a specific weather minimum. It is Visual Meteorological Conditions....clear of clouds.
VFR has specific weather restrictions based on the type of airspace you are in. It is Visual Flight Rules.
When you are doing a circling approach, you are flying IFR....thus don't particularly need the 3 miles of vis that VFR requires as a general ROT.
You might need it.....if the minimums for that particular approach require it. And, as has been mentioned, you company can be, and often is, more restrictive than the basic approach would require.
So, I fly my approach down to minimums, break out and see the runway. If I think I can remain clear of clouds and land, I will. If there is a low cloud bank between me and my landing runway, then I will go MAP. And as always, the MAP procedure is for the approach I just shot.....not my intended landing runway. If I lose sight during the circle, then I am going to turn towards the rwy and go MAP (heading generally towards mid-field will aid in obstacle clearance)
If I break out above minimums, then I am going to stay as high as I can while still remaining clear of clouds. It is a heck of a lot easier to fly a visual pattern from your normal perspective versus being in the weeds. Typical error down low is to be too close, and overshoot....or worse, really rack up the bank trying to hack the corner.
VFR has specific weather restrictions based on the type of airspace you are in. It is Visual Flight Rules.
When you are doing a circling approach, you are flying IFR....thus don't particularly need the 3 miles of vis that VFR requires as a general ROT.
You might need it.....if the minimums for that particular approach require it. And, as has been mentioned, you company can be, and often is, more restrictive than the basic approach would require.
So, I fly my approach down to minimums, break out and see the runway. If I think I can remain clear of clouds and land, I will. If there is a low cloud bank between me and my landing runway, then I will go MAP. And as always, the MAP procedure is for the approach I just shot.....not my intended landing runway. If I lose sight during the circle, then I am going to turn towards the rwy and go MAP (heading generally towards mid-field will aid in obstacle clearance)
If I break out above minimums, then I am going to stay as high as I can while still remaining clear of clouds. It is a heck of a lot easier to fly a visual pattern from your normal perspective versus being in the weeds. Typical error down low is to be too close, and overshoot....or worse, really rack up the bank trying to hack the corner.
#20
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we do it all the time up here in Alaska. A lot of airports don't have approaches into both runways (usually only one runway). Or it's just faster than going an extra 20 miles to go straight in...
but not in a CRJ
but not in a CRJ
Last edited by crooked; 11-11-2007 at 07:34 AM. Reason: clarification
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