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newarkblows 12-09-2007 04:18 PM

dont worry i doubt any of these guys are rascist. every one on here seems to hate everybody equally...

Flyboy8784 12-09-2007 05:41 PM


Originally Posted by newarkblows (Post 275942)
dont worry i doubt any of these guys are rascist. every one on here seems to hate everybody equally...


Lol....nope im racist ;)

Actually the only people i tend to hate equally is...umm...Passengers...lol except the hot ones

XSive 12-09-2007 05:57 PM

I have said it before and I will say it again...being politicaly correct is killing this country. Im all for racial profiling...hell my familiy is from Colombia so I am automatically a freaking drug lord. Israel has been profiling as a means of security for years, when was the last time they had a jet used as a wmd?

Deez340 12-09-2007 06:55 PM


Originally Posted by Tinpusher007 (Post 275938)
Im over it, and Im not going to discuss this particular topic any further.

Don't take your dollie and go home...... I'm still looking for someone to comment on the substance of my original post.

ghilis101 12-09-2007 09:45 PM


Originally Posted by XSive (Post 275998)
I have said it before and I will say it again...being politicaly correct is killing this country. Im all for racial profiling...hell my familiy is from Colombia so I am automatically a freaking drug lord. Israel has been profiling as a means of security for years, when was the last time they had a jet used as a wmd?

i respectfully disagree. first of all, i dont think you appreciate being profiled, and if you do then youve essentially sold your people out. as a muslim and an arab flying for an airline and serving in the armed forces, i will not just accept that type of lazy solution of racial profiling. political correctness has nothing to do with any of this. its protection of your freaking rights which apparently you are willing to give up. theres better ways to solve this problem.

i know this was way off topic but just had to respond to that comment.

Tinpusher007 12-09-2007 11:05 PM


Originally Posted by Deez340 (Post 276036)
Don't take your dollie and go home...... I'm still looking for someone to comment on the substance of my original post.

I said I wasn't going to discuss the topic of racism anymore because this is an aviation forum. Perhaps I was over sensitive to your comment, perhaps not. You asked that I "get over myself" and most everyone else shared your sentiment so I dropped it.
Your orignial post was an excellent take on what this industry is going through and I agree with you on that 100%. I also agree that another act of terrorism would surely throw things way out of whack, eventhough I disagreed with the way you worded it. But thats neither here nor there.
To further answer the original poster, I don't think DL axing a few podunk routes on RJ's out of ATL is a big deal at all, certainly nothing to be nervous about. In fact I would expect to see alot of tooling with equipment especially if the price of oil doesn't go down. DL learned a big lesson over the last 6 years or so about how flawed its previous business model was especially on the domestic side of things.

Deez340 12-10-2007 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by Tinpusher007 (Post 276128)
I said I wasn't going to discuss the topic of racism anymore because this is an aviation forum. Perhaps I was over sensitive to your comment, perhaps not. You asked that I "get over myself" and most everyone else shared your sentiment so I dropped it.
Your orignial post was an excellent take on what this industry is going through and I agree with you on that 100%. I also agree that another act of terrorism would surely throw things way out of whack, eventhough I disagreed with the way you worded it. But thats neither here nor there.
To further answer the original poster, I don't think DL axing a few podunk routes on RJ's out of ATL is a big deal at all, certainly nothing to be nervous about. In fact I would expect to see alot of tooling with equipment especially if the price of oil doesn't go down. DL learned a big lesson over the last 6 years or so about how flawed its previous business model was especially on the domestic side of things.

Alright, truce. And you're also correct in saying that this is nothing to get too exercised about in the short term. However, might be considered in someone's decision as to where to try to make a career long term. Here is the latest from the horse's mouth on the subject. Although he doesn't specify what RJ's are being removed.


December 10, 2007


https://connect.delta.com/f5-w-68747...06/Richard.jpg Richard Anderson reaffirmed that we still expect to see profit sharing payouts early next year despite the impact of high fuel prices on our fourth quarter financial performance. In his weekly Right from Richard employee update, he said we expect profit sharing payments to be made in mid-February.
“We will still have a good profit sharing payout,” Richard said. “It is scheduled for Feb. 14. We have been accruing for profit sharing each quarter, and it’s based in the full-year performance, not one individual quarter. We may lose money in the fourth quarter, principally because of fuel, but that won’t affect our ability to still pay out a profit sharing check on Feb. 14.”
Richard also recapped comments that Ed Bastian, president and CFO, made last week, laying out some of the steps we’re taking in the face of record high fuel prices.
“We’re taking a proactive response to high fuel costs by making strategic domestic capacity reductions,” Richard said. “We’re going to take about 35 regional jets out of the schedule. We’re going to be very mindful of our capital spending and we’re going to be very careful about hiring overhead positions in the corporate headquarters. We’re not going to have layoffs. [Higher costs] will cause us to not hire as many people as we were going to hire, and as people leave the company through attrition, we won’t be backfilling in the noncustomer-facing positions. Our goal is to be certain that our airline stay profitable and that you have a secure place to work.”

TristarJS30 12-10-2007 09:35 AM

Hey Mr. Anderson... when you come asking for paycuts, how big of a paycut will YOU take?

And by pay-cut, I don't mean bonus.

JetJock16 12-10-2007 10:00 AM

DAL can't decrease ASA block hours with major penalties. Now if DAL reduces 2 block hours by reducing service to a city then they must increase serves or begin it somewhere else. Otherwise DAL will be in breach of their contract with SKYW Inc which would cost DAL $145M. Now from what I understand is that they can decrease ASA block hours but increase SKW which still counts as a wash, 1:1. The contract is for guaranteed flying through 2020, for both SKW & ASA, with increases in flying based but certain factors, factors that SKYW Inc. has had no problems meeting with SKW. That’s one of the many reasons why SKW has received the new DAL flying and ASA hasn’t had anything beyond the 8 (?) CR7’s from Comair.

People seem to forget that SKYW Inc.’s contract with DAL is the most iron clad (meaning loop holes) of all their code share contracts and it has the biggest penalties. JA & Co crossed their T’s and dotted their I’s when they purchased ASA. I’m not saying DAL can’t get out of it but with SKW operating with one of the lost cost per seat per mile it just would make sense for DAL to incur the $145M in penalties in order to bring in another carrier with a lower cost.

IMO, they’re probably going to cut less profitable CR2 (ASA) routes and add more profitable CR9 (SKW) routes. But hey, in the end DAL will do what they have to do to stay above water.

Deez340 12-10-2007 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 276408)
DAL can't decrease ASA block hours with major penalties. Now if DAL reduces 2 block hours by reducing service to a city then they must increase serves or begin it somewhere else. Otherwise DAL will be in breach of their contract with SKYW Inc which would cost DAL $145M. Now from what I understand is that they can decrease ASA block hours but increase SKW which still counts as a wash, 1:1. The contract is for guaranteed flying through 2020, for both SKW & ASA, with increases in flying based but certain factors, factors that SKYW Inc. has had no problems meeting with SKW. That’s one of the many reasons why SKW has received the new DAL flying and ASA hasn’t had anything beyond the 8 (?) CR7’s from Comair.

People seem to forget that SKYW Inc.’s contract with DAL is the most iron clad (meaning loop holes) of all their code share contracts and it has the biggest penalties. JA & Co crossed their T’s and dotted their I’s when they purchased ASA. I’m not saying DAL can’t get out of it but with SKW operating with one of the lost cost per seat per mile it just would make sense for DAL to incur the $145M in penalties in order to bring in another carrier with a lower cost.

IMO, they’re probably going to cut less profitable CR2 (ASA) routes and add more profitable CR9 (SKW) routes.

I certainly could be wrong, but if I recall correctly I thought it was a % guarantee not a block hour guarantee. 85% of Delta feed in ATL had to be done by ASA, and Skywest was guaranteed a certain percentage of all DAL feed. As long as that percentage holds I think they can reduce the flying as necessary. Anywho, 35 RJ's are being removed from Delta service. The question is where. Also, they can't just add more 900's as Delta's scope clause regulates that. Plus they would have to be in the 76 seat configuration.


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