Banging up RJ's tonight...
12-17-2007 | 11:51 AM
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Considering my buddy was on the flight and listening to what he said as well as some of the passengers it appears that the landing was VERY hard and the left main collapsed which caused the plane to veer off to the left of the runway into the snow. The fog was pretty heavy so who knows, sounds like whoever was conducting the approach might have flared way to late once the runway was aquired. Again, who knows, we all know fog can be thick as pea soup one second and then clear the next thanks to wind.
12-17-2007 | 02:23 PM
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Personally I'll take learning the command decision thing from a 20 hour student pilot at 90 kts than from a 5,000 hour captain with no interpersonal skills at 300. Seems like my odds are much higher. Besides some of them have no command decision experience cause they were too busy trying to learn from their captains to actually make a decision.
12-17-2007 | 11:11 PM
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Ill admit....my previous post was poorly worded....but some of ya'll took it out of context.
Ill also admit that my opinions are different cuz i dont have an hour of Dual given in my logbooks...the only instructing ive ever done was working at a Sim Center.
My point was that the things you learn from your captains are beneficial, and in turn will teach you to make your own decisions.
And the thing i said about the captain obeying you was meant as a sign that you are ready to become a captain....knowing exactly when to ask for flaps, gear, knowing when to turn, knowing how to get down...without having him say "Hey...you should do this now" or "if I were you, id do this"
I dont ever come on here to try and **** people off...i just offer my opinions....except if it involves Gojets....then its open season
Ill also admit that my opinions are different cuz i dont have an hour of Dual given in my logbooks...the only instructing ive ever done was working at a Sim Center.
My point was that the things you learn from your captains are beneficial, and in turn will teach you to make your own decisions.
And the thing i said about the captain obeying you was meant as a sign that you are ready to become a captain....knowing exactly when to ask for flaps, gear, knowing when to turn, knowing how to get down...without having him say "Hey...you should do this now" or "if I were you, id do this"
I dont ever come on here to try and **** people off...i just offer my opinions....except if it involves Gojets....then its open season
12-18-2007 | 01:39 AM
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Considering my buddy was on the flight and listening to what he said as well as some of the passengers it appears that the landing was VERY hard and the left main collapsed which caused the plane to veer off to the left of the runway into the snow. The fog was pretty heavy so who knows, sounds like whoever was conducting the approach might have flared way to late once the runway was aquired. Again, who knows, we all know fog can be thick as pea soup one second and then clear the next thanks to wind.
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12-18-2007 | 02:19 AM
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I understand pax sometimes feel that landings are hard. However, from experience I have learned that when you have several factors against you; low visibility, 144kt approach speed, and snow covered runways you don't have to finesse it on the ground. Put the sucker down and get on the reverse then brake.
It could be that the landing was TOO hard or it could be stressed landing gear mixed with a firm touch down the possibly side loading after getting a little sideways. The company hasn't even told us what happened that caused it.
It can happen to anyone and that should be in all of our heads. Think ahead and fly safe. Have a Merry Christmas everyone!
It could be that the landing was TOO hard or it could be stressed landing gear mixed with a firm touch down the possibly side loading after getting a little sideways. The company hasn't even told us what happened that caused it.
It can happen to anyone and that should be in all of our heads. Think ahead and fly safe. Have a Merry Christmas everyone!
12-18-2007 | 06:34 AM
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My point was that the things you learn from your captains are beneficial, and in turn will teach you to make your own decisions.
And the thing i said about the captain obeying you was meant as a sign that you are ready to become a captain....knowing exactly when to ask for flaps, gear, knowing when to turn, knowing how to get down...without having him say "Hey...you should do this now" or "if I were you, id do this"
And the thing i said about the captain obeying you was meant as a sign that you are ready to become a captain....knowing exactly when to ask for flaps, gear, knowing when to turn, knowing how to get down...without having him say "Hey...you should do this now" or "if I were you, id do this"
But don't you think there's more to being prepared to be a CA than knowing exactly when and how to configure, turn, get down, etc.? An FO ready to upgrade will participate in the decision making process when stuff happens (normal or abnormal). That's how an FO shows he's ready to lead from the left seat.
And if a CA won't let an FO at least voice their opinion on decisions to be made, well, they suck. Cause that's not good mentoring or good CRM.
12-18-2007 | 06:37 AM
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Im pretty sure they said it was AC-470....i flew it all day on saturday and we gave it up in CVG for the overnight. She flew pretty solid all day....we had 4 nice landings. Id imagine that i can expect a call from someone from the FAA depending on how deep they dig into this incident.
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