My own first emergency landing
01-08-2008 | 02:29 PM
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I like to keep the AP on for approaches to minimums simply for the sake of the missed. The 170 is a kick in the butt during a two engine go around. Its especially fast to a low level off missed. For that reason, I like to be able to just hit the TOGA button and observe the airplane go missed while I deal with all the configuration changes that are going on. It can be done by hand and should be in VMC or during sim training, but I'd rather free up the brain bytes for the other stuff going on.
01-08-2008 | 03:30 PM
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You know what's even scarier to me? Having my family-members on any RJ these days, where I can guarantee you 9 out of 10 Pilots cannot fly an approach without the FD.
So does this mean that you will not let friends and family fly on those "dangerous" old-school birds like a DC-9 with no FD? I don't tell you how to fly an Airplane...
So does this mean that you will not let friends and family fly on those "dangerous" old-school birds like a DC-9 with no FD? I don't tell you how to fly an Airplane...
I'll ask it again: what do you have to prove? I'm not telling you how to fly your airplane. I'm just saying you shouldn't treat a jet transport aircraft with paying passengers in the back as a 172 you're up with your buddy shooting approaches in.
PS
I'm fairly certain every DC-9 I've been in the front of had a FD.
01-08-2008 | 03:59 PM
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I like to keep the AP on for approaches to minimums simply for the sake of the missed. The 170 is a kick in the butt during a two engine go around. Its especially fast to a low level off missed. For that reason, I like to be able to just hit the TOGA button and observe the airplane go missed while I deal with all the configuration changes that are going on. It can be done by hand and should be in VMC or during sim training, but I'd rather free up the brain bytes for the other stuff going on.
01-08-2008 | 04:14 PM
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From: 7ER B...whatever that means.
01-08-2008 | 08:21 PM
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Send him back to training
01-08-2008 | 09:05 PM
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So the other day I'm flying out of PHL to ALB with First Officer Groovinaviator and he's at the stick and right after "gear up" we get the STAB TRIM and MACH TRIM master caution messages. No biggie. I reach down and push those bad boys back in and about a second later the same DING comes over my headset. Try it again and again, "DING". Well, by now I am getting irate because I have to call Philly Departure and try to read the QRH and make sure that he's flying the airplane OK, which he is.
I tell them we'll climb to 5000 feet (as cleared) and we'll maintain heading and I'll call them back when I get a chance, we have a trim problem.
They were cool about it and gave us vectors and we landing on 27L in PHL with about 800 fire trucks and cops and their families out for the excitement and they all followed us back to the terminal. Or so it seemed.
It was pretty late and of course the company was able to rustle up another airplane for us to complete the flight. Can you say, "Seven legs".
Anway, Groovinaviator is a stud. Flew the airplane perfectly and we came around and landed Flaps 20 (QRH procedure). Smoothest landing of the whole trip. And the airplane was out of trim the whole time.
The man is a right wing nutjob, but he can sit right seat for me any day he can put up with me!
Good job young man! Keep working on your twin time and maybe one day you can grow up and be a CRJ captain.....
Anyway, I guess anything that doesn't kill you makes you stronger. It was a learning experience and worked out just like it should have. Cool. What wasn't cool was that when we finally got to ALB we had been on duty about 14-15 hours. That's not cool.
I tell them we'll climb to 5000 feet (as cleared) and we'll maintain heading and I'll call them back when I get a chance, we have a trim problem.
They were cool about it and gave us vectors and we landing on 27L in PHL with about 800 fire trucks and cops and their families out for the excitement and they all followed us back to the terminal. Or so it seemed.
It was pretty late and of course the company was able to rustle up another airplane for us to complete the flight. Can you say, "Seven legs".
Anway, Groovinaviator is a stud. Flew the airplane perfectly and we came around and landed Flaps 20 (QRH procedure). Smoothest landing of the whole trip. And the airplane was out of trim the whole time.
The man is a right wing nutjob, but he can sit right seat for me any day he can put up with me!
Good job young man! Keep working on your twin time and maybe one day you can grow up and be a CRJ captain.....
Anyway, I guess anything that doesn't kill you makes you stronger. It was a learning experience and worked out just like it should have. Cool. What wasn't cool was that when we finally got to ALB we had been on duty about 14-15 hours. That's not cool.
Glad that everyone is safe
01-08-2008 | 09:12 PM
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!!That said, one should be sure he/she is choosing to handfly (or anything else) because it is the Prudent thing to do. As I was not there, I would NEVER second guess the decisions you or any other pilot makes who lands the plane safely (something too many folks on this forum tend to do).
Safe, Prudent, and Legal..... yep, we're good to go.
On a different note....
There were several comments about the aircrafts giving "goofy" warnings under very specific situations. Everybody flying highly automated aircraft should remember that the more automated a plane is, the more subtle (and often confusing) embeded glitches can be. When one loses faith in George or the computer, time to be an ol' fashened flyer.
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