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Slats 05-22-2012 01:18 PM


Originally Posted by e5casey (Post 1194308)
I'm a regional f/o about to be furloughed and have considered Great Lakes for the quick upgrade. My concern is with the 1500 hr rule they will have a tough time getting pilots with the low pay. I fear if I were to go there I might get stuck in the right seat with no one coming in behind me. Thoughts?

I believe they operate under part 135, not sure if the new rule applies to them or not :confused:

AZbound 05-22-2012 01:19 PM

Lakes is 121, not 135..

Slats 05-22-2012 01:21 PM


Originally Posted by AZbound (Post 1194358)
Lakes is 121, not 135..

There ya have it. I have my head buried into OO. :rolleyes:

What 05-22-2012 03:16 PM

Lakes is a 121 operator but utilizes 135 FAR for scheduling purposes!

MightEBeech 05-22-2012 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by What (Post 1194456)
Lakes is a 121 operator but utilizes 135 FAR for scheduling purposes!

What, I'm not sure exactly what your purpose is but you sure seem to like stirring the pot on the Lakes thread right now. You are correct on this, however it seems like you are trying to bash us for some reason?

Lakes does have an opspec that allows using Part 135 rest rules as a Part 121 operator. It is because of the seating capacity / payload of the aircraft in our fleet. Basically it allows us to do 1200/yr, 120/month, and 34/7... as opposed to your 1000/100/30. I don't think it's a big deal considering I'm at Lakes to build hours and experience...

It will be interesting to see what Lakes does (if anything) to attract new pilots once the 1500 hr rule kicks in. As far as I know, the plan isn't to go out of business due to lack of pilots...

pacocfi 05-22-2012 04:32 PM

How is it at Great Lakes I am going to be interview there 6/6 how is reserve if any?

EMB120IP 05-22-2012 04:39 PM

Lopez could have gotten a job with 2 hours of EMB FO time because he's just so danged handsome! That's why I'm still here. It's tough to get jobs when you interview with a paper bag over your head.

MightEBeech 05-22-2012 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by pacocfi (Post 1194516)
How is it at Great Lakes I am going to be interview there 6/6 how is reserve if any?

Probably every question you have about Lakes could be answered by reviewing the threads.

Just have a mission statement in mind if you come here. You need to study hard through training, fly as much as you can, and upgrade. Be a good FO and learn from your captains (become a chameleon). Keep your nose clean here and try to do everything as a professional. After about 1 year you can upgrade to Captain (if you meet ATP requirements) and enjoy that for a little while. Then move on to whatever will further your career. You will make lifelong friends and have a great time flying in our environment. There will be days that are not so fun (junior man / extensions) but if you keep the end goal in mind then it helps.

We seem to be stretched thin on pilots (whats new?) so even if you are on reserve you will be flying a bunch. In all reality you will probably hold a line right out of training as some of the outstation bases have lines that are "open".

Just keep an open mind and please do as much research as you can before making a decision on where to go. For me, the pros outweighed the cons and I don't regret working at Lakes. I am looking forward to moving on one day though :)

pacocfi 05-22-2012 04:52 PM

That is what I was doing and so far I talked to the asst chief at the job fair and he was putting it all out there the pros and cons.

What 05-22-2012 05:37 PM


Originally Posted by MightEBeech (Post 1194509)
What, I'm not sure exactly what your purpose is but you sure seem to like stirring the pot on the Lakes thread right now. You are correct on this, however it seems like you are trying to bash us for some reason?

Lakes does have an opspec that allows using Part 135 rest rules as a Part 121 operator. It is because of the seating capacity / payload of the aircraft in our fleet. Basically it allows us to do 1200/yr, 120/month, and 34/7... as opposed to your 1000/100/30. I don't think it's a big deal considering I'm at Lakes to build hours and experience...

It will be interesting to see what Lakes does (if anything) to attract new pilots once the 1500 hr rule kicks in. As far as I know, the plan isn't to go out of business due to lack of pilots...

Nobody is stirring the pot, a guy made a mistake and he was corrected and then I explained to him that Lakes is a 121 operator but utilizes 135 for scheduling! On the replies earlier today I didn't put lakes down, we exchanged the competitiveness of 1000 hrs T-Pic on a 1900. Also someone was bashing lakes and I stated she was over the top. I don't see lakes stuguling any more or any less than any other regional because people will still seek the quick upgrades!


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