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JohnnyG 07-11-2013 01:26 PM


Originally Posted by Cubdriver (Post 1443226)
Great Lakes has a fairly high washout rate in training, something on the order of 40%-50% last time I checked. The up side of this is nobody gets hired until they pass training which saves their PRIA image somewhat.

Yeah, but that means you can go 3 months without being paid, all while watching people around you get ousted.

GL doesn't even help you get to the interview.

EMB120IP 07-11-2013 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by JohnnyG (Post 1443262)
Yeah, but that means you can go 3 months without being paid, all while watching people around you get ousted.

GL doesn't even help you get to the interview.

We do if you live at a station we serve. Delta doesn't positive space you on United to get to a Delta interview, do they? As much as I'd like, if you lived in NYC and we served NYC, you'd probably be provided a seat on us. Remember, our system isn't spread out as much as others carriers.

As far as washout rate, it's mainly due to proficiency issues. The training has been revamped. It's a lot of information, but somebody who puts in the study time is fully capable of finishing. As far as flight proficiency though, that's up to the applicants. Come prepared to fly on instruments or it may not end well. We don't train to fly on autopilot all of the time (EMB). You still need to know how to fly.

hockeypilot44 07-11-2013 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by EMB120IP (Post 1443274)
We do if you live at a station we serve. Delta doesn't positive space you on United to get to a Delta interview, do they? As much as I'd like, if you lived in NYC and we served NYC, you'd probably be provided a seat on us. Remember, our system isn't spread out as much as others carriers.

As far as washout rate, it's mainly due to proficiency issues. The training has been revamped. It's a lot of information, but somebody who puts in the study time is fully capable of finishing. As far as flight proficiency though, that's up to the applicants. Come prepared to fly on instruments or it may not end well. We don't train to fly on autopilot all of the time (EMB). You still need to know how to fly.

No they don't, but they will positive space you on Chautauqua, Shuttle America, ASA, Skywest, Expressjet, Endeavor, Compass, etc.

EMB120IP 07-11-2013 05:55 PM

That's one of the perks of contracting flying with other carriers, huh? They have positive space agreements, we have to buy tickets. That's the difference.

johnso29 07-11-2013 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 1442671)
True, FMLA can help in the event of the birth of a child. There are however a few things to remember in regard to FMLA

1) You must be a full time employee with at least one full year of service before you qualify

2) It is not paid


With what Lakes pays, would you really notice a difference? :D:p

680crewchief 07-11-2013 06:06 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 1443452)
With what Lakes pays, would you really notice a difference? :D:p

Nooooope!!!!!!!!!!

emb145 07-12-2013 10:00 AM

Lakes is going to have a booth at the July 20th job fair in Vegas. Can you seriously see anybody that meets ATP mins willfully signing on with this outfit? Come on. 16k a year. You can get more on unemployment and government assistance. I have no beef with the Laker pilots, you gotta do what you gotta do, I'm just saying when I entered the regional world 7 years ago, I took a pass on Lakes. For that matter, Mesa too.

What 07-12-2013 10:20 AM


Originally Posted by emb145 (Post 1443803)
Lakes is going to have a booth at the July 20th job fair in Vegas. Can you seriously see anybody that meets ATP mins willfully signing on with this outfit? Come on. 16k a year. You can get more on unemployment and government assistance. I have no beef with the Laker pilots, you gotta do what you gotta do, I'm just saying when I entered the regional world 7 years ago, I took a pass on Lakes. For that matter, Mesa too.

But as soon as you have 1000 hrs SIC you will be able to upgrade on a short line. Because they are so short they will fly you a whole lot and you will likely met the requirements for an upgrade under two years all the while everyone else averages a 6+ year upgrade. This will be the selling factor, it has and always will draw enough candidates. As upgrade times around the industry fall then they will have an issue but with the current amount of 50 seaters being parked over the next 2 years upgrade times will not plummet to the levels of GLA.

ArcherDvr 07-15-2013 07:19 PM


Originally Posted by emb145 (Post 1443803)
Lakes is going to have a booth at the July 20th job fair in Vegas. Can you seriously see anybody that meets ATP mins willfully signing on with this outfit? Come on. 16k a year. You can get more on unemployment and government assistance. I have no beef with the Laker pilots, you gotta do what you gotta do, I'm just saying when I entered the regional world 7 years ago, I took a pass on Lakes. For that matter, Mesa too.

I can't wait for this place to die AND, for all the pilot's to be able to land better jobs.


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