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I spoke with 3 FOs this morning. All had class dates at other regionals. Thats in addition to several others I have spoken with over the past couple of weeks.

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Originally Posted by FLYBOYMATTHEW (Post 12567)

Unfortunately, the payscale on this website is accurate...rounded to the nearest dollar. Lakes pilots have been working without a contract for 5 years and counting...with the same pay. The pilot group, which is represented by the Teamsters, is currently attempting to be released from mediation. They are also soliciting other representation, however, I don't believe that ALPA is an option, so I don't know who else that leaves.

One of the major problems IMO is the general apathy of the pilot group. Most are hired with low time, and figure they will only stay until they get 1,000 PIC...which only takes about 3 years. The most senior pilot on the seniority list probably has only been with the company for about 6 years, and even they feel they have been there a couple of years too long. This revolving door is a management's dream as far as contract negotiations are concerned. Fuel prices combined with the already thin profit margins associated with providing Essential Air Service flying have only hurt the cause for the pilots.

Is there a light at the end of the tunnel? I don't think so.

The light at the end of the tunnel is a job with a good regional carrier. Make a career there or in 6-8 years move on to a major. It beats working for a living, if you don't believe it try working in an office 08:00 - 5:00 at a job you don't really like.

Is it true that 2 bros were parked due to lack of pilots?

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Originally Posted by iflythewest (Post 1432536)

Is it true that 2 bros were parked due to lack of pilots?

Man that would be great! It would prove that there finally is a shortage of pilots that are willing to work for slave wages.... oh wait.

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Originally Posted by iflythewest (Post 1432536)

Is it true that 2 bros were parked due to lack of pilots?

It's true they were parked, but the company didn't say lack of crews. Buuuut....I don't see any other reason.

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Originally Posted by skypilot35 (Post 1431769)

I spoke with 3 FOs this morning. All had class dates at other regionals. Thats in addition to several others I have spoken with over the past couple of weeks.

I thought people went to great lakes because the "next stop" was Delta or Southwest??:confused:

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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes (Post 1432600)

I thought people went to great lakes because the "next stop" was Delta or Southwest??:confused:

Some people do. Most don't. Just like very other airline.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by iflythewest:1432536

Is it true that 2 bros were parked due to lack of pilots?

Two Brasilias were parked, but not for lack of crews. One for heavy maintenance and the other is because the flying in ISN and DIK has significantly dropped off due to low loads because Expressjet and Skywest now operating those routes too. That's not to say that we aren't short either. One open FO line in ISN and more and more FOs leaving every week, its not looking pretty.

Although, I did hear that xjt and skw pax out of ISN and DIK are not happy with their new jet service that they tried so hard to get, so consequently our loads have been increasing.

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Originally Posted by steak pilot (Post 1432685)

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Although, I did hear that xjt and skw pax out of ISN and DIK are not happy with their new jet service that they tried so hard to get, so consequently our loads have been increasing.

Just curious, what kinds of complaints have you heard?

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Originally Posted by porcupine (Post 1432697)

Just curious, what kinds of complaints have you heard?

I heard every time one of the jets is oversold or cancels, those pax transfer over to Lakes.