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EMB120IP 03-15-2013 01:55 AM

Thanks for bringing my hopes and dreams to a grinding halt, CG. There could always be a possibility of extending it for current employees, but until the FAA comes up with a final ruling, we'll all be at the mercy of this.

bernouli 03-15-2013 02:52 AM

companies have known this was coming for years. to act as if it's a complete surprise just proves that they were expecting a waiver eventually, and are facing substantial staffing issues as a result.

sadly, new pilots are feeling the brunt of this oversight.

simply put, they shouldn't have been hiring pilots that were under qualified knowing this was coming.

good luck. there are options beyond the airlines.

680crewchief 03-15-2013 05:59 AM


Originally Posted by Gjn290 (Post 1371552)
It's ignorant thinking like that that must have landed you at great lakes! (I'm assuming great lakes, correct me if I'm wrong.)

Busted again. The locals are on to me...

680crewchief 03-15-2013 10:52 AM

I think James no brakes should be the new union president. All us trouble makers would be taken care of and the company could return to greatness. Sounds like he has all the answers

steak pilot 03-15-2013 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by 680crewchief (Post 1372648)
I think James no brakes should be the new union president. All us trouble makers would be taken care of and the company could return to greatness. Sounds like he has all the answers

Ha, we need a like button on APC...

MEOW!

EMB120IP 03-15-2013 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by steak pilot (Post 1372662)
Ha, we need a like button on APC...

MEOW!

So it's agreed.....he's the new Prez

UFFL 03-15-2013 02:58 PM


Originally Posted by bernouli (Post 1372348)
companies have known this was coming for years. to act as if it's a complete surprise just proves that they were expecting a waiver eventually, and are facing substantial staffing issues as a result.

sadly, new pilots are feeling the brunt of this oversight.

simply put, they shouldn't have been hiring pilots that were under qualified knowing this was coming.

good luck. there are options beyond the airlines.

So after 1 year of flying 121 and a of couple PC's / checking events all of a sudden on August 2, 2013 I'm "under qualified" to do the job I've been doing?

Guess I better go do a few hundred hours of traffic pattern work in a 172 so I can become "qualified" again. Whatever, it is what it is. We'll all see what happens and adjust accordingly.

Hurryage65 03-15-2013 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by EMB120IP (Post 1372344)
Thanks for bringing my hopes and dreams to a grinding halt, CG. There could always be a possibility of extending it for current employees, but until the FAA comes up with a final ruling, we'll all be at the mercy of this.

So you a left seat 120 capt/IP? I think you'll be ok...

680crewchief 03-15-2013 03:11 PM


Originally Posted by Hurryage65 (Post 1372822)
So you a left seat 120 capt/IP? I think you'll be ok...

Not if he doesn't have any FO's to fly with him. He's just a really cool paperweight at that point. Unless he gets right-seated...but that couldn't possibly happen (that was sarcasm).

Also, who is he going to instruct without any new hires? Tough to train that empty seat.

EMB120IP 03-15-2013 06:18 PM

Oh boy, this'll get fun:

It's on me to get all of our FO's ATP rated by August, but when my low time guys aren't flying at all on reserve, this hampers my ability to do so. Without FO's to fly our aircraft, we'll need to run additional training on ATP rated newhires, who will take approximately 2 months from start to finish. Since we can barely find pilots with 1500+ (without the ATP nonetheless), and since we'll be short staffed for the flying we do, I won't even be able to use my instructors to train said pilots or we'll be cancelling more flights due to the lack of Captains because all of our junior captains will be flying FO lines to make up for the lack of FO's. This results in a situation where in order to have more FO's, we'll need to cancel flying. If we don't run FO's, we're going to cancel flying. After the 2 month period of training, hopefully we haven't lost pilots, resulting in more training, resulting in me needing training captains, etc, etc etc.

Thus the "hope" that the FAA will grant some kind of waiver or delay for FO's that have been maintained under our training program, because like other carriers, we adjusted our minimum times based on average flight hours gained when online, but due to lines getting reduced, as well as the block times too, those average hours went down drastically. Most other carriers, especially ones who use AQP for training, had a little faster integration of the ATP training program as it's considerably easier to run them through AQP than it is an Appendix F, 2 segment, cover everything under the sun, checkride.

OR: the FAA can grant a Single Pilot type for the EMB from the Jumpseat. Then we'll be good.


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