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9kBud 03-13-2013 07:10 AM


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 1370815)
It's also a 19 seat turbo prop compared to what a 50 or larger seat jet.....

By that metric it's also far less than a 9 seat piston captain makes at Cape.

680crewchief 03-13-2013 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes (Post 1370085)
Not really..I mean, you like oil right? But other than just oil, these are natives that have no other way to get around due to the environment. It's not like the 4-corners area of the US where you have the biggest Native American reservation in the US, yet it pales in comparison to Alaska native villages and the distances they are spread apart. To a significant extent, the US government helped encourage and sustained a lot of these village outposts with dozens of AFB installations, early warning radars, communications relays, and other sorts of stuff, not to mention most of the villages already existed for the most part, unlike most cities that have been build after "discovery" by Europe. Many of the "EAS" contracts in AK are for "mail service" as well, because it's the only way to get mail out there. The planes usually do double or triple duty, fulfilling many other roles (with the same plane)-cargo, passengers, combination, etc. These aren't people that have the option of easily just "moving", as it's large families, native communities, people that sustain themselves on things that you'd never consider putting in your mouth, etc.

I would say it's very much not the same thing, we have like 3 highways, for an area the same size as half the lower 48 states roughly. Nowhere near the road infrastructure. The reasons why AK needs EAS are exactly the reasons the lower 48 largely doesn't need it. They try to apply the same criteria, but it's a totally different situation. Whether the Federal or State government pays for EAS here, I don't really care, but this ain't Kansas, and you'd likely die trying to get to a village by other means. We aren't going to tell people in the lower 48 to move to cities, and it's probably not appropriate to say that anywhere, but there are certain realities that have to be realized.

If there's really any place in the lower US that is more than 2hrs away from a hub by car, I'd be for ensuring that they have adequate emergency medical service, although im sure health corporations find ways to make their helicopter operations profitable, by using them and charging...

Wow...you weren't kidding; you really are a volleyball player...

Do you have any flying to do?

680crewchief 03-13-2013 08:09 AM

So the natives in Alaska are more important than the natives in the lower 48. Gotcha. I stand corrected.

EMB120IP 03-13-2013 05:19 PM

I find it hard to think that the FAA won't put a waiver for FO's already with the company. Why would an FO all of a sudden become "not good enough to fly a 121 airplane" even though that FO has been training under that air carriers training program and undergoing routine recurrent training. Stupid

Gjn290 03-13-2013 05:23 PM

People have known the ATP rule has been coming for the last, nearly, three years. How there are still people who won't have the 1500 gets me.

JamesNoBrakes 03-13-2013 07:40 PM


Originally Posted by Rotor2prop (Post 1370242)
This really didn't change anything. All the safety pilot has to do to log PIC is assume the role of "acting" PIC and log as such. Then the person under the hood can log it as PIC since they are the ones on the controls. If thats not acceptable then the FAA needs to clear that up too. Most of the large flight academies programs are still putting out pilots with lots of this type of time and still are to this day. Plus they are still selling "time building" packages too. So...

You got me, I was thinking of something else. I think some local inspectors have decided to turn against some of those time-building situations, but they can be overruled by FAA counsel.

JamesNoBrakes 03-13-2013 07:41 PM


Originally Posted by 680crewchief (Post 1371032)
So the natives in Alaska are more important than the natives in the lower 48. Gotcha. I stand corrected.

You mean the ones in the lower 48 with roads and not arctic temperatures? It's not just natives that live in the villages, but whomever they are, they are citizens of the US. We can't just shoot them or put them in camps.

JamesNoBrakes 03-13-2013 07:46 PM


Originally Posted by Cruz5350 (Post 1370815)
It's also a 19 seat turbo prop compared to what a 50 or larger seat jet.....

So? Just because one has been brainwashed to think that the bigger an aircraft is the more it should pay doesn't mean that everyone should think that or that it should be the foundation of this industry. Based on the numbers, if you ever fly anything smaller than a 19 seat turboprop you should pay someone to allow you the privilege of flying it?

Gjn290 03-13-2013 07:52 PM


Originally Posted by 680crewchief (Post 1371032)
So the natives in Alaska are more important than the natives in the lower 48. Gotcha. I stand corrected.

It's ignorant thinking like that that must have landed you at great lakes! (I'm assuming great lakes, correct me if I'm wrong.)

porcupine 03-14-2013 07:44 PM


Originally Posted by EMB120IP (Post 1371439)
I find it hard to think that the FAA won't put a waiver for FO's already with the company. Why would an FO all of a sudden become "not good enough to fly a 121 airplane" even though that FO has been training under that air carriers training program and undergoing routine recurrent training. Stupid

It appears to me that such a waiver wouldn't be consistent with the law that is forcing this down our throats (Airline Safety and Federal Aviation Administration Extension Act of 2010). The law states that an ATP will be required beginning 3 years after it's passage (Aug 1, 2013) whether the FAA publishes a rule or not.
See Sec.216(c):
Full Text of H.R. 5900 (111th): Airline Safety and Federal Aviation Administration Extension Act of 2010 - GovTrack.us


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