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CptGSXR 03-11-2013 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes (Post 1369407)
Motive? It's just news.


Srry there JNB, I think these guys are a bit 'in the weeds' about the current topic, this so-called 'news' article. To bring others interested up to speed, this is about their contract. If you dont know it's been about a 3 year battle with NO end in sight. Much worse than RAH if you ask me.

There might have been a vauge hint of the NMB letting Lakes strike in Aug, but then whispers of that not being allowed due to the upcoming presidential election. Now the entire dispute is back to square one, like the last 3 years didn't happen. With a new NMB meeting at the end of this month, the "news" article was put out to help the company's case to keep it's pilots earning less than minumum wage......

Hope that helps.

680crewchief 03-11-2013 03:09 PM


Originally Posted by CptGSXR (Post 1369762)
Srry there JNB, I think these guys are a bit 'in the weeds' about the current topic, this so-called 'news' article. To bring others interested up to speed, this is about their contract. If you dont know it's been about a 3 year battle with NO end in sight. Much worse than RAH if you ask me.

There might have been a vauge hint of the NMB letting Lakes strike in Aug, but then whispers of that not being allowed due to the upcoming presidential election. Now the entire dispute is back to square one, like the last 3 years didn't happen. With a new NMB meeting at the end of this month, the "news" article was put out to help the company's case to keep it's pilots earning less than minumum wage......


Hope that helps.

Nailed it.

DakBroadbent 03-11-2013 04:01 PM

I remember flight training at GLA in '97...lots of coughing on company frequency. The next day: massive sickout and consequential mass-firings. Got the contract done soon after, with 100% re-hiring and expungement of discipline.

JamesNoBrakes 03-11-2013 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by 680crewchief (Post 1369490)
I would agree with you in principle, but if you look at the overall national budget, the money spent on EAS is extremely small. Inefficient? Yes, but the sequester and EAS money with it is just politics. If you want to discuss economics alone, this conversation can be expanded to include Social Security, WIC, unemployment benefits, etc.

That's what just about EVERY program supporter says. When it comes to pork barrel spending, it doesn't get much saltier than EAS in places with roads and bigger hubs ~2hrs away. In Alaska at least we don't have roads and by air is the ONLY way to reach villages reliably. I could see some kind of EAS for HEMS service only in some places, but passenger planes? Get a charter, take a shuttle, or drive the 2hrs and stop having the taxpayer foot the bill. Sure, plenty of things in the budget need to be cut, in defense and social spending, but EAS in the lower 48 is pretty much a no-brainer.

BenS 03-11-2013 05:05 PM


Originally Posted by CptGSXR (Post 1369762)
Srry there JNB, I think these guys are a bit 'in the weeds' about the current topic, this so-called 'news' article. To bring others interested up to speed, this is about their contract. If you dont know it's been about a 3 year battle with NO end in sight. Much worse than RAH if you ask me.

There might have been a vauge hint of the NMB letting Lakes strike in Aug, but then whispers of that not being allowed due to the upcoming presidential election. Now the entire dispute is back to square one, like the last 3 years didn't happen. With a new NMB meeting at the end of this month, the "news" article was put out to help the company's case to keep it's pilots earning less than minumum wage......

Hope that helps.

100% nailed it.. this story doesn't appear to be anything more than that. And I hope if this "news" happens to come up in the next meeting, I sure wish that the union slamms their fist and calls BS as loudly as they can. ABQ had nothing to do with the sequester as it closed months before the fact.

Hopefully the NMB will consider these numbers before allowing things to continue to string along:

$7.25 (minimum wage) X 40 (hours a week) X 52 (weeks a year) = $15,080. Annual minimum wage income at 40 hours a week.

$16.24 (First Year F/O pay) X 75 (hours garuntee) X 12 (months a year) = $14,616 ($464 less than minimum wage) First Year First Officer Pay.

21 days of Reserve a month at 14 hours a day is 294 duty hours. $1,218 montly income ($16.24 X 75 hours) Divided by 294 duty hours is $4.14 an hour.

Or maybe they'll just let things string along year after year while the cost of living continues to go up.

UFFL 03-11-2013 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by 680crewchief (Post 1369495)
They were filling classes with false promises of 90 hours a month of flying. Mathematically it was possible for the new hires to hit 1500, but the reality is they spend 3 months on reserve with 5 hours a month of flying. Unless you're buddy buddy with scheduling and they give you flying, but there is no rhyme or reason for who flies and who doesn't. It's merely at the company's discretion.

I have flown with many new hires in the past 6 months and asked where their total time was at. Answer: "Oh, like 700, but I'm going to fly 90 hours a month and be ok!"

Response: "Enjoy paying $7,500 for your contract when they fire you because you are no longer qualified to operate 121."

Answer:".....uh-oh"

6 months on reserve and counting for me.... But I do fly around 60 hours a month here in DEN. It seems like a lot of the reserves in DEN are getting around the same amount however I heard anywhere from 25-50 FOs won't make 1500 by August.

bernouli 03-11-2013 06:50 PM


Originally Posted by UFFL (Post 1369954)
6 months on reserve and counting for me.... But I do fly around 60 hours a month here in DEN. It seems like a lot of the reserves in DEN are getting around the same amount however I heard anywhere from 25-50 FOs won't make 1500 by August.

Maybe management can lease a fleet of IFR certified Cessna 150s. File instrument flight plans, have a second pilot as a 'safety pilot', and fly around in circles until everybody is legal.

EMB120IP 03-11-2013 07:01 PM


Originally Posted by bernouli (Post 1369966)
Maybe management can lease a fleet of IFR certified Cessna 150s. File instrument flight plans, have a second pilot as a 'safety pilot', and fly around in circles until everybody is legal.

We'll call it....Bernouli's principle! It'll be in the Geneva convention.

bernouli 03-11-2013 07:08 PM


Originally Posted by EMB120IP (Post 1369974)
We'll call it....Bernouli's principle! It'll be in the Geneva convention.

Brilliant!

JamesNoBrakes 03-11-2013 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by bernouli (Post 1369966)
Maybe management can lease a fleet of IFR certified Cessna 150s. File instrument flight plans, have a second pilot as a 'safety pilot', and fly around in circles until everybody is legal.

Only one of those guys can log PIC according to FAA legal decisions.


Yeah, I know. I was bummed when I heard about it too.


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