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09-20-2012 | 02:10 PM
#402
Bracing for Fallacies
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From: In favor of good things, not in favor of bad things
09-21-2012 | 03:57 AM
#407
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From: It's a plane and it's a seat
How long was AA working on "negotiating"? I don't care how long we have been negotiating. I knew what I signed up for with Lakes and why I came to the company. I've gotten everything I wanted plus more. No complaints. If we have the opportunity to "take a stand" as a result of our unions tireless efforts then you can bet your a$$ we will "take a stand"... You have no idea what point we are at in "negotiations" so don't sit here and preach like you know what we are going through. It may be 30 days it may be 3 years before we reach a point that YOU would even begin to see what we have been working on for so long. Sorry, I just annoyed by ignorant people.
09-21-2012 | 04:39 AM
#408
Underpaid...
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From: French-Canadian
I already told you that it wasn't as simple as how long. I already told you it was more complicated.
I don't remember if it was before or after our current contract expired when we ousted those crooks at the 747 local who embezzled all our money (unity). We then voted in our current union(unity).
Then, negotiations started for the flight attendants, as they hadn't had a contract for 9 years. These negotiations held up the pilot's negotiations for a big chunk of the time since our last contract expired. When the flight attendants hit an impass, they told the company they would strike and the mediator said they would be released. The company said they would park the 120's and just fly the 1900's. The mediator said he would also release the pilots since we are now in the same union (unity). The flight attendants had a new contract a short time later.
Our union leadership has had over 50 negotiation meetings with the company and mediator. We have been waiting on the government for things to continue. If we get released, I think we will strike with over 99% agreeing to (unity).
If your statement implies that we have no unity you are very wrong. Your statement that most pilots on property are new since the contract negotiations is wrong. If your statement implies that the reason we don't have a contract is because we have no unity, you are dead wrong.
Considering the reality and circumstances of our situation, this has gone as quickly as possible.
By what I can gather from your info, you have an interest in RAH. I have never worked there, have no idea what your union has gone through, and I have zero idea about the state of your unity. Therefore, I would never be so stupid or brazen to make a blanket statement of the affairs of RAH's pilots or union. Spread the hate elsewhere.
I don't remember if it was before or after our current contract expired when we ousted those crooks at the 747 local who embezzled all our money (unity). We then voted in our current union(unity).
Then, negotiations started for the flight attendants, as they hadn't had a contract for 9 years. These negotiations held up the pilot's negotiations for a big chunk of the time since our last contract expired. When the flight attendants hit an impass, they told the company they would strike and the mediator said they would be released. The company said they would park the 120's and just fly the 1900's. The mediator said he would also release the pilots since we are now in the same union (unity). The flight attendants had a new contract a short time later.
Our union leadership has had over 50 negotiation meetings with the company and mediator. We have been waiting on the government for things to continue. If we get released, I think we will strike with over 99% agreeing to (unity).
If your statement implies that we have no unity you are very wrong. Your statement that most pilots on property are new since the contract negotiations is wrong. If your statement implies that the reason we don't have a contract is because we have no unity, you are dead wrong.
Considering the reality and circumstances of our situation, this has gone as quickly as possible.
By what I can gather from your info, you have an interest in RAH. I have never worked there, have no idea what your union has gone through, and I have zero idea about the state of your unity. Therefore, I would never be so stupid or brazen to make a blanket statement of the affairs of RAH's pilots or union. Spread the hate elsewhere.
So DV tried to buy you guys by giving you a 2 dollar raise so he didn't have to give you a contract, as well as other workgroups. I am a student of the industry and I don't work at Lakes but I know a thing or two about the place. And most of your pilot group has been there less than 3 years so in essence most of you have been there since the contract became amendable
Anyway, I am not bashing Lakers, that's a road you have chosen, it works for some and fails for other... Good luck and I hope it works out. Your survived the ballon payment, we shall see how DV plays your contract as the next payment comes up and the 1900's maintenance adds up in CYS.
09-21-2012 | 08:40 PM
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I would go out on a limb and say that every pilot group out there would go on strike if they were released, you make it sound like you guys will shut the airline down and the government won't let that happen. Your largest creditor is Raytheon and they won't allow to let the airline fail since they would be a few million dollars in the whole. Lakes has a great pilot group, I know many lakes pilot and JS on you guys all the time. DV will look for anyway to screw you as he knows most of you guys are looking for the first opportunity to leave for a greener pasture. your contract has been amendable for over 3 years and it will likely be a long time before you are allowed to make a stand. The question is not what you guys will do but what the government will allow you to do. You are a small airline who wouldn't have much of an "impact" on the transportation system but at the same time you are the largest ASE operator and the vast majority of your destinations are only served by GLA. My statement about "making a statement" is that some of you come here talking big game about things that are out of your control. You as most of us is willing to make a stand, but the simple matter is we are held back by the law. Lakes has been in contract negotiations for over 3 years, RAH has been in contract negotiations for over 5, AA had been for almost 5, United is fast approaching 3 or 4 years if I remember correctly... You are not alone!
So DV tried to buy you guys by giving you a 2 dollar raise so he didn't have to give you a contract, as well as other workgroups. I am a student of the industry and I don't work at Lakes but I know a thing or two about the place. And most of your pilot group has been there less than 3 years so in essence most of you have been there since the contract became amendable
Anyway, I am not bashing Lakers, that's a road you have chosen, it works for some and fails for other... Good luck and I hope it works out. Your survived the ballon payment, we shall see how DV plays your contract as the next payment comes up and the 1900's maintenance adds up in CYS.
So DV tried to buy you guys by giving you a 2 dollar raise so he didn't have to give you a contract, as well as other workgroups. I am a student of the industry and I don't work at Lakes but I know a thing or two about the place. And most of your pilot group has been there less than 3 years so in essence most of you have been there since the contract became amendable
Anyway, I am not bashing Lakers, that's a road you have chosen, it works for some and fails for other... Good luck and I hope it works out. Your survived the ballon payment, we shall see how DV plays your contract as the next payment comes up and the 1900's maintenance adds up in CYS.
Keeping it classy I see, coming on here and bashing the company and pilot group, yet you jumpseat on us, clearly meaning you rely on us to get you from point A to point B. By the posts you have posted on here, it seems you would rather see pilots go elsewhere and in turn would rather see the company shut down and all of our pilots out of a job. If that is the case, you might want to consider renting a car from now on and driving on that route that you jumpseat on, after all, if we shut down, that is the only way you could get to your destination. I'm not saying you are not welcome on my flight and on my jumpseat, I am just saying consider the implications if you had it your way and Lakes ceased operations tomorrow!
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