Wow, 2 yrs is senior for an F/O?

 

Well jet upgrade is currently 2.5-3yrs

 

There is more to this..

The controller cannot say "Acey 001, wait for the Delta 75 crossing left to right, then cross 27L at foxtrot....."

That is illegal. Could have been a controller problem...?

 

Agreed. If that is actually the clearance given then ATL is just begging for runway incursions. Granted we are getting our information from a news article, and we know how reliable they are...

 

While this may be true, I have flown in and out of ATL from the left seat os an RJ and I can't recall any intersecting taxiways where visibility down the runways is obstructed. Someone mentioned CRM earlier in this thread, and someone else mentioned that though the tiller in on the CA side BOTH crewmembers are tasked with taxiing the aircraft. Quoting the report on the Comair crash at Lexington, statistics show that a majority of accidents/incidents that happen on the ground occur when the CA is taxiing and the FO is off frequency or heads down running a checklist.

Mesa had a deal a year ago where the FO had just come back on freq and read back a pos/hold instruction wrong resulting in a non-cleared T/O. Slow down out there, and keep the multi-tasking to a minimum. Read back all instructions, and make sure you emphasize portions that involve a runway.

I had a deal in JFK where it was dark and raining and I blew through an intersection I was supposed to hold short of for a DAL 67. Guess what the FO was doing? He was off freq talking to ops to coordinate a gate. I had a healthy serving of crow from the ground controller... what blew my mind is that an AA 67 had just done the exact same thing by blowing through an intersection less than 5 min before...

This incident should tell us all to SLOW DOWN AND BE CAREFUL. Personally, I taxi like grandma and spidey senses are tingling any time I cross a runway.

Fly safely!

 

If he had his strobes on while crossing the runway, it would have never happened, at least according to everyone from the strobes thread.

 

I think there is an old AC on this... when crossing a RWY you should turn on every available light. You are right that it is not like a crossing guard for train tracks, but it is part of the methodology of safety. When I reach up and turn on the lights it is just another signal to myself that checklists must stop and all eyes are looking outside up/down the runway. After crossing, the lights come off and we can return to unfinished business.

 

Yea the United Captain sounded foreign and the FO was a woman. The controller (who was as if not more stupid than the crew, in fact she probably should never have been allowed to control aircraft again, it was that bad. "hey aircraft saying your on the active runway in 1200 RVR, shut up I'm trying to take some planes off here" I'm paraphrasing but that's pretty close. No joke) was a woman as well. (True Story) Not that there's anything wrong with that.

In all seriousness though the controllers are doing a lot of training of brand new folks as well. If you listen it's pretty easy to pick up on which ones are new. The media never gets this stuff right. Neither does our rumor mill. I'll wait for the final report to pass judgment.

 

Yes, I remember that they reported to her that they think their nose was on or close to a RWY. She told an a/c to take off and then shortly after the crew reported they heard engines go by and that they sounded really close. Then she told another a/c to take off and they refused. She berated both for not doing as they were told. I think this is the same incident you are talking about.

If anyone can find the ATC clip I would love to hear it again. They showed it in ground school at SKW.

She was unbelievable! Someone said that she is still working! God help us all!

 

Like I said, if that was indeed the clearance then it was a very odd one. Seemed like a direct quote but who knows with the media.