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Atwoo155 11-25-2008 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by seafeye (Post 505737)
It's not Doom and Gloom..:o.its just reality. People talk about how bad the schedules are getting, how bad the hotels are getting...
Thing is, they have been this way all along. The only way to get a better quality of life is to find another airline to work for. The union, chief pilots all have good intentions but our management doesn't care. They are happy making decent money in Ohio and wouldn't do a damm thing to change it. If PSA gets more airplanes or better routes or better schedules it will be because it was handed to our management. They work their 9-5 m-f and that is all. No extra effort. Our scheduling dept is reactive, our contract allows the inefficiencies to go on, our dispatch is totally clueless. (OK not all but some...K.H.?) Until Doug Parker and his management group take some responsibility for the PSA management we are stuck in a rut.

The lines were not that bad before the furlough, and they only changed because the person who built the lines no longer works at PSA. Instead of hiring someone new they outsourced the job to PDT. Ask people at PDT these are what there lines look like. I don't know what your talking about with the hotels, in the last year the they have gotten better and I had not flown with anyone who disagrees with that. Unless the hotels have gone to heck since Sept when I was furloughed. One of the problems is that the pilots complain about everything. The hotel in CAK is not that bad. It has a lot of things within walking distance and still people whine about it. The hotel in DAB is nice right in the middle of the main drag on the mainland side of town, and people are complaining because they were not consulted before it was chosen. There is still room for improvement but at least it is working in the right direction. You are right about the contract. There is a lot of loose language and management takes advantage of it every chance they get. These are some of the things the negotiating committee needs to address for the new contract. There is always room for improvement at any airline or any job for that matter.

trackpilot 11-25-2008 01:58 PM


Originally Posted by Atwoo155 (Post 505926)
The hotel in CAK is not that bad. It has a lot of things within walking distance and still people whine about it.

You are nuts. That place was the biggest dump ever! I couldn't believe they actually made us stay in that hotel!!! My CA had bed bugs and I had a roach or something in my bath tub.
Luckily i was only there once. But i made sure to NEVER get a trip that overnighted in CAK.

Theonemarine 11-25-2008 02:32 PM

As for the hiring thing, I am very hopeful of it, however, I think it will be a bit before Mesa is completely done. Appeals and the whole process will take awhile. Not to mention even IF mainline wanted us to fly the -900's, company and the pilot group still have a ways to go in the negotiations for payrates. I'm hoping that after the new years that they will get back to the table for serious discussions.

And for what it's worth, I really didn't think CAK's hotel was that bad, and I overnighted there about 6 times in 1 1/2 months. The location was good as was said above because you could walk anywhere you needed to go, and having the aweful waffle was good when you got in on the last flight.

bradeku1008 11-25-2008 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by Theonemarine (Post 505973)
As for the hiring thing, I am very hopeful of it, however, I think it will be a bit before Mesa is completely done. Appeals and the whole process will take awhile. Not to mention even IF mainline wanted us to fly the -900's, company and the pilot group still have a ways to go in the negotiations for payrates. I'm hoping that after the new years that they will get back to the table for serious discussions.

And for what it's worth, I really didn't think CAK's hotel was that bad, and I overnighted there about 6 times in 1 1/2 months. The location was good as was said above because you could walk anywhere you needed to go, and having the aweful waffle was good when you got in on the last flight.

So what is the need for new hiring? 900's or is there hope of more flying starting in January. Isn't 2009 when the contract is amendable.

Theonemarine 11-25-2008 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by bradeku1008 (Post 505976)
So what is the need for new hiring? 900's or is there hope of more flying starting in January. Isn't 2009 when the contract is amendable.

The need would most likely be if Mesa folded and Parker lived up to his word of wanting to give the wholly owned carriers more flying. Simply giving us more flying will not be enough to cover recalling 74 pilots and hiring more people. We would likely need new planes to cover it, unlike Republic who already has the planes. It all really depends. The contract is not amendable until I believe June or July (Do not quote me on it) and from RUMORS the company has no interest in even beginning to talk about it until they absolutely have to. We'll see. I still think it's going to be a long year, but things change quick.

proskuneho 11-25-2008 02:52 PM

When hiring DOES resume, where will new hires likely be sent with the current route structure? Of course, that could change if the airline is given more flying. I hear that CLT is a senior base. I own a home near CLT, and would consider living there if I could get on with PSA...

Theonemarine 11-25-2008 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by proskuneho (Post 505984)
When hiring DOES resume, where will new hires likely be sent with the current route structure? Of course, that could change if the airline is given more flying. I hear that CLT is a senior base. I own a home near CLT, and would consider living there if I could get on with PSA...


Thats a big WHEN hiring resumes, but if and when it does, probably DAY first. Some people when the boom was happening got CLT out of sim, but those days are probably numbered. You may be able to hold TYS but it would be close.

bassslayer 11-25-2008 03:05 PM

What you need to remember is that if it going cost PSA anything, they will not do it. They have to be forced into anything that costs money. The goal is to run this airline as lean and cheap as humanly possible and still have an airline. If getting new airplanes and/or using those airplanes to fly more expensive routes, it willl be outsourced. Thats why we dont fly into Canada anymore. It's more epensive to fly international so it makes financial sense to have the contract carriers do it. Don't forget Republic and Air Whisky loaned a combined 70 million to airways. I would expect any additional flying to go to them first, if at all possible. Not to mention, if PSA were to have a net gain in airframes, J for J would be back on the table. Neither the pilot group or management wants that to happen. Regardless of who gets additional flying, if anyone, these companies are going to have a hard time going from having people furloughed to staffing additional airframes in the time frame airways is going to want. Thats just my worthless opinion. You are all dumber for having read it.

Cottonmouth 11-25-2008 03:05 PM

PSA is worthless why would you want to work at this s h _ t hole? Ya, your right, why not work for free to fly a jet. I hope this pilot group says no to 900's until they fix the hourly wages, schedules, the CAK hotel, drop Keith Hauk, resolve FMLA issues, hire competent schedulers, get rid of Pam Oh has she left, speak out to the furloughed pilots just to be honest with these ladies and gentlemen and tell them where they stand,etc.. If you have dignity you will not work here as this management team continues to have no respect/regard for those who make this place operate. They treat you like garbage!

BigFellor 11-25-2008 03:51 PM


Originally Posted by Cottonmouth (Post 506003)
hire competent schedulers, get rid of Pam Oh has she left,

Please, I dont even want to hear it until you have to sit in a room for 10 hours a day listening to their bull****.


Originally Posted by Theonemarine (Post 505893)
Anything to back this up or just rumors floating about? Been a lot of noise about more furloughs, not more hiring.

Just rumors. I treat management like I do the government, I dont believe anything they tell me.


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