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ksatflyer 10-14-2008 12:07 PM

Idiot... I came on with 900 tt and 8 hours multi. Was told I did very nicely in the sim and was ready to be signed off well before minimum IOE time. Never killed anyone, never blew on any tires on landing, never froze up on a go around and never once felt overwhelmed. I think your just a bit mad that perhaps you never had the opportunity to fly something like an RJ with low time. Sorry for the rant but people with attitudes like this really rub me the wrong way.

Originally Posted by DMEarc (Post 321442)
38 Multi.....8 Multi....

You guys don't belong in a Seminole , let alone an automated RJ.

Good thing you're not going to fly a turboprop- you would probably kill everyone onboard.


cfii2007 10-14-2008 12:26 PM


Originally Posted by ksatflyer (Post 478981)
Idiot... I came on with 900 tt and 8 hours multi. Was told I did very nicely in the sim and was ready to be signed off well before minimum IOE time. Never killed anyone, never blew on any tires on landing, never froze up on a go around and never once felt overwhelmed. I think your just a bit mad that perhaps you never had the opportunity to fly something like an RJ with low time. Sorry for the rant but people with attitudes like this really rub me the wrong way.

Personal Foul, roughing the poster, 15 yard penatly.....FIRST DOWN!!!

ZapBrannigan 10-14-2008 12:30 PM

I have to agree with DMEarc. While it is no doubt impressive that you were so successful in the simulator, that does not diminish the reality that you lack multi-engine experience -- much less multi-engine experience in high performance turbojet aircraft.

The ability to succeed in training is one thing -- the experience required to be a valuable and participating crewmember are quite another. The unfortunate reality is that by hiring such low time pilots the industry is requiring Captains to be much more than simply mentors -- but in many cases we are requiring them to be flight instructors.

Part 121 operations with paying passengers is no time for "dual given".

Sorry.

BoredwLife 10-14-2008 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by ksatflyer (Post 478981)
Idiot... I came on with 900 tt and 8 hours multi. Was told I did very nicely in the sim and was ready to be signed off well before minimum IOE time. Never killed anyone, never blew on any tires on landing, never froze up on a go around and never once felt overwhelmed. I think your just a bit mad that perhaps you never had the opportunity to fly something like an RJ with low time. Sorry for the rant but people with attitudes like this really rub me the wrong way.


Name calling. nice and professional.

Wildflyin 10-14-2008 12:39 PM

I'm just amused by ZapBrannigan's avatar. Dr.Horrible was a great 40 minute show. everyone should forget about name calling and go watch it.

ZapBrannigan 10-14-2008 12:40 PM

"The World Is A Mess... and I just need to RULE it." - Dr. Horrible
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/still...le_io9.flv.jpg

bradeku1008 10-14-2008 12:46 PM

Hey I will admit that the 38 multi I had was low.

DashGirl 10-14-2008 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan (Post 478997)
I have to agree with DMEarc. While it is no doubt impressive that you were so successful in the simulator, that does not diminish the reality that you lack multi-engine experience -- much less multi-engine experience in high performance turbojet aircraft.

The ability to succeed in training is one thing -- the experience required to be a valuable and participating crewmember are quite another. The unfortunate reality is that by hiring such low time pilots the industry is requiring Captains to be much more than simply mentors -- but in many cases we are requiring them to be flight instructors.

Part 121 operations with paying passengers is no time for "dual given".

Sorry.

I respect your position but completely disagree. First Officers should always be considered to be Captains in training. And a good captain will always be willing to help an F/O, regardless of experience level, improve his or her skill set in preparation for upgrade. Though the amount is limited, that is why ATP rated pilots that lack a CFI cert. may legally log dual given. Captains are flight instructors. And a captain that feels burdened by taking on this attitude should probably be flying single-pilot somewhere. That being said, I will comment that a captain should feel like he or she could leave the cockpit if necessary for the walk of shame or some other extreme reason and feel the F/O is competent to handle anything that arises. And that some lower time pilots just don't have the natural ability to handle life in a 121 cockpit under at least a thousand hours of experience despite passing training. But there are exceptions as some low timers have proven themselves to be damn good in an airline setting. I can tell you that high time pilots do not automatically equate to skilled and competent. Some of our most experienced captains at my regional are the least qualified to be in the cockpit due to the shear amount of longevity generated complacency and over confidence.

ZapBrannigan 10-14-2008 12:59 PM

I appreciate your thoughtful and respectful answer but my opinion has not been swayed. While a Captain should, indeed, be a MENTOR -- he or she should NOT have to be a "flight instructor".

There is a big difference. I stand by my assertion that part 121 with paying passengers is no place for flight instruction. (IOE being the one notable exception).

DashGirl 10-14-2008 01:05 PM

I think we agree in principle actually but that has been overshadowed by semantics. Would you not agree that that appropriate position for a Captain to be willing to accept should be about halfway between Flight instructor and simple mentor? Flight instructor being "right rudder, right rudder, right rudder", mentor being "I wouldn't bid for that line if I were you.."


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