Originally Posted by reelbigchair

I'm just trying to suggest an alternative approach, but apparently you either don't agree or don't understand what I'm getting at. The reason I say this is because, we've heard those very same arguements you've been presenting on this board, and those arguements didn't persuade enough SkyWest pilots. Continuing with the same lines will probably fail again next time around. I'm merely suggesting that the pro union pilots at SkyWest, and any pilot at a different carrier that wishes a union to exist here, may have to look at it from a different angle.

Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB

Nevets - Ya'll that are preaching the graces of ALPA to SkyWest Pilots really should think up a new approach...the way you've been going at it, let's just say that ya'll made a great career choice in straying from the practice of law. Seriously!

Originally Posted by Nevets

Maybe I dont understand what you are saying. But Im not going to make stuff up to try to persuade someone. I'm telling you how it is. My approach is an approach of telling you the truth. If I can't persuade you with the truth than nothing will.

Originally Posted by freezingflyboy

I think some people need to get past this idea that ALPA is some group of hired goons that, once voted on property, go to company HQ and start busting knee caps with tire irons and setting right all the wrongs that have been suffered.

If you are a pilot, YOU are ALPA. ALPA national is a resource for you to use, but YOUR MEC, made up of YOUR pilots is the part of ALPA that makes or breaks YOU as a pilot group. Weak pilot group = weak MEC. Strong, unified pilot group = strong MEC. One reason XJT, Eagle, and Horizon have such great contracts is that there are enough pilots that are there for the long haul that have a vested interest in making those airlines the best place they can be. At airlines like TSA and Mesa that have such high turnover, its hard to get enough people to stick around long enough to get on the same page. I mean christ, Horizon has arguably one of the worst unions for airline pilots (Teamsters) yet their contract is head and shoulders above everyone else. Its not because of who issues their union cards, its because the pilot group is united and willing to fight for what they think they deserve.

Originally Posted by texaspilot76

Companies reward their employees for hard work and loyalty, not ganging up to buck the system.

Originally Posted by texaspilot76

I don't envy Skywest, but I do think they are a great company. Everyone wants to go there. Even my buddy, who could get on with most other regionals, is waiting until Skywest calls him. Why? From what I hear, it is because Skywest has good pay and work rules. And I firmly feel that is due to them being a non-union company. Companies reward their employees for hard work and loyalty, not ganging up to buck the system.

Originally Posted by texaspilot76

I'm sorry. I shouldn't have stated my opinion to all you union guys. I will just state the facts:

1. Skywest is in the top 3 for pay among regionals.

2. Skywest has no shortage of qualified applicants, unlike other regionals.

3. Skywest has no union.

There you go, just the facts.

Originally Posted by Superpilot92

Just Facts,

XJT is in the top 3 regionals in pay, they have a union, and also have no shortage of applicants. So again your logic isnt very convincing. There you go, just the facts.

Originally Posted by texaspilot76

50 seat RJ pay:

Year 1: XJT = $23 SKW = $22 OK, I'll give them a dollar

Year 2: XJT = $34 SKW = $35 But take it right back

Year 3: XJT = $37 SKW = $37

Sounds like the same to me.

XJT: not hiring = no shortage of applicants.