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ToiletDuck 02-21-2008 06:23 PM


Originally Posted by DMEarc (Post 325115)
Because most of their pilots are pro-ALPA.

Doesn't do anything for the union though. They can't vote for or against anything that's going on in negotiations.

The Juice 02-21-2008 06:30 PM


Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 325188)
Doesn't do anything for the union though. They can't vote for or against anything that's going on in negotiations.

If they merge the lists, Colgan will become ALPA. This will create 400+ more union voices which will help carry more power for the PNCL cause. PNCL Corp will now have their entire pilot group under one union with the power of a unified single group rather than one union and one not, or both having two seperate ALPA shops.

dingo222 02-21-2008 06:33 PM

No staple, here is the legislation:


(c) AIRPORT AND AIRWAY TRUST FUND EXPENDITURE
AUTHORITY.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—Paragraph (1) of section 9502(d) of such
Code is amended—
(A) by striking ‘‘October 1, 2007’’ and inserting ‘‘March
1, 2008’’, and
(B) by inserting ‘‘or the Department of Transportation
Appropriations Act, 2008’’ in subparagraph (A) before the
semicolon at the end.
(2) CONFORMING AMENDMENT.—Paragraph (2) of section
9502(f) of such Code is amended by striking ‘‘October 1, 2007’’
and inserting ‘‘March 1, 2008’’.
(d) EFFECTIVE DATE.—The amendments made by this section
shall take effect on October 1, 2007.
SEC. 117. LABOR INTEGRATION. (a) LABOR INTEGRATION.—With
respect to any covered transaction involving two or more covered
air carriers that results in the combination of crafts or classes
that are subject to the Railway Labor Act (45 U.S.C. 151 et seq.),
sections 3 and 13 of the labor protective provisions imposed by
the Civil Aeronautics Board in the Allegheny-Mohawk merger (as
published at 59 C.A.B. 45) shall apply to the integration of covered
employees of the covered air carriers; except that—
(1) if the same collective bargaining agent represents the
combining crafts or classes at each of the covered air carriers,
that collective bargaining agent’s internal policies regarding
integration, if any, will not be affected by and will supersede
the requirements of this section; and
(2) the requirements of any collective bargaining agreement
that may be applicable to the terms of integration involving
covered employees of a covered air carrier shall not be affected
by the requirements of this section as to the employees covered
by that agreement, so long as those provisions allow for the
protections afforded by sections 3 and 13 of the Allegheny-
Mohawk provisions.

(b) DEFINITIONS.—In this section, the following definitions
apply:
(1) AIR CARRIER.—The term ‘‘air carrier’’ means an air
carrier that holds a certificate issued under chapter 411 of
title 49, United States Code.
(2) COVERED AIR CARRIER.—The term ‘‘covered air carrier’’
means an air carrier that is involved in a covered transaction.
(3) COVERED EMPLOYEE.—The term ‘‘covered employee’’
means an employee who—
(A) is not a temporary employee; and
(B) is a member of a craft or class that is subject
to the Railway Labor Act (45 U.S.C. 151 et seq.).






In a nutshell, absent any contractual protections, airline employees will have A-M as a default protection of their seniority.

ALPA-ALPA merger, ALPA policy.

ALPA-non ALPA, A-M policy

A-M, has as its goal a fair and reasonable integration. Like ALPA policy it doesn't favor any particular integration methodolgy and absent a negotiated agreement A-M utilizes binding arbitration to settle disputes.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...764enr.txt.pdf

Seggy 02-21-2008 06:35 PM

Nevermind then! Must have had bad info.

dingo222 02-21-2008 06:42 PM

Seg, maybe not. I'm a layman reading this mumbo-jombo! That's the way it reads, but who knows. PCL has pretty iron clad scope, but it's still up for arbitration. Craphouse lawyers can read anything into anything

ToiletDuck 02-21-2008 07:58 PM


Originally Posted by The Juice (Post 325192)
If they merge the lists, Colgan will become ALPA. This will create 400+ more union voices which will help carry more power for the PNCL cause. PNCL Corp will now have their entire pilot group under one union with the power of a unified single group rather than one union and one not, or both having two seperate ALPA shops.

I have to admit I'm not sure on this point. I don't know if it's possible to force a union on someone. Is it?

exp96 02-21-2008 08:21 PM


Originally Posted by dingo222 (Post 325194)
LABOR INTEGRATION.—With
respect to any covered transaction involving two or more covered
air carriers that results in the combination of crafts or classes
that are subject to the Railway Labor Act

Is a non union carrier subject to the RLA?

King Lear 02-21-2008 08:31 PM

Just remember how seniority works Girls. Colgans pilots merge then take part in the fast track upgrade program to the left seat they will upgrade prior to Pinnacle Pilots on the list pre-merge.

usmc-sgt 02-22-2008 02:31 AM

Are we merged yet? Im getting tired of waiting and debating the issue. Send me my PNCL uniform and my alpa card, ill GLADLY mail in my alpa dues check and we can push forward as a group.

dingo222 02-22-2008 04:47 AM


Originally Posted by exp96 (Post 325243)
Is a non union carrier subject to the RLA?

yes, we are still covered under the protected class, category, all that jazz.


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