rickair7777

The 80% number for farmington is a very realistic number. It includes the washouts, which absolutely should be included since some of the people reading this are considering plunking down a huge chunk of change...they need to know what there odds are from the point where they lay down the cash, which is BEFORE not after the MAPD program.

Even with 80%, MAPD has a much higher success rate than most comparable programs.

Joeshmoe

I believe the 90% hire rate is based on the number of applicants from the MAPD program who actually finish the program and get an interview with Mesa.

Groundhog

Rick,
I’m not sure what you’re talking about. Before you start flying, you have enough money in your account with the college to cover your flying for the semester. Each time you fly, the cost of the flight is deducted from your account. If you choose to leave the program, you leave with whatever cash is left in your account. It is not a program that takes all of your money upfront and then penalizes you if you choose to leave.
Hog

freezingflyboy

I think what rick was saying was that prospective students should know what they're getting into before they go take out loans/cash out their savings bonds/rob a bank, etc. I'm sure they give back what you don't use for training if you leave early, but have you ever tried to get money back from an educational institution? Good luck!

Linebacker35

And all the money someone had spent on the training they had done but not finished. What a waste of money to get like half way through the program then drop out.

Hobbs

Don't feel too bad. Most are just rich dude bros (frat boys) looking for a good time. They just go home and live with mommy and daddy.

sgaertner

I currently attend MAPD @ ASU. I am also a CFI with the program. I began with no time and have gotten all of my ratings (through MEI) with MPD. MEI is not a required certificate to get through this program.
MAPD is a good program if what you want is to go to the airline and get there in the shortest amount of time, with a Bachelors degree. Just as with any other program there are issues, but for the most part it is workable.
We have Warriors for private and the beginning of the commercial. Then you get into the Bonanza, do some more commercial and begin the instrument. Once instrument is complete you finish the commercial. Then you begin the CFI and CFII. You do the beginning of the CFI in the Warrior to get used to the right seat, then transition to the Bonanza. CFII is done in the Warrior (cheaper). ME is done in the Baron. MAPD owns its own Baron now and doesn't have to borrow from Farmington anymore.
When I began the program they gave me a cost sheet that said if I followed the program and had no extra lessons thrown in the cost for the entire program would be $40,000. Of course no one can do everything perfectly the first time, so my final cost came out to ~ $80,000. That works out to right around $12,000/rating. So, if you have the money and want to get a degree you can use in the future, it's no worse than the other places.
Also, the hire rate for people that go through the program and apply to Mesa, interview and get hired is running about 98-99%. In the four years I've been there only 2 people have not made it because of something in their background that made them ineligible. The washout rate is probably in the 20-30% range of people that start and don't finish the program. Most of the time it is because they really don't want to be a pilot or they run out of money. ASU is notorious for being a pain in the %$^ when it comes to financial aid. The ASU does not require you to have all of the money in an account up front, but you do have to be diligent when using financial aid. It will take on average 1-2 months to get more money every time you need more money.
I have decided not to go to Mesa for various reasons. One of those reasons are the number of people I have talked to that work in the cockpit and do nothing but complain about the company. But, if you want to get into the cockpit just to build time so that you can go somewhere else, get paid very little (BE1900 FO ~$19K; CRJ/ERJ FO ~$23K), and be worked like a dog for the first few years until you upgrade (and even then you're being worked hard) then this is definitely the place for you.
Hope this helps.

fosters

Does this $80k figure include your college courses? I thought ERAU was overpriced - I spent $35k (flight training ONLY) Private-CFII and tack on another $2k for the MEI done at another place. This was 2003, prior to the FTD stuff.