FAA Probe Raises Pilot Fatigue Issue
02-28-2008, 09:05 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by skywatch
These all sound like great ideas, but don't shorter duty days lead to fewer days off? Is that an acceptable trade to all of you?
02-28-2008, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by skywatch
These all sound like great ideas, but don't shorter duty days lead to fewer days off? Is that an acceptable trade to all of you?
02-28-2008, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Spooled
No, it would lead for more efficient schedules. No more 4 hours sits.
02-28-2008, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by utedrummer
ALPA ALPA ALPA. We are the pilots. Why dont WE make more noise??? Write the FAA etc instead of hiding out here.
02-28-2008, 10:17 AM
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Go! has got to really be hurting without these two pilots not actively flying
http://kgmb9.com/main/content/view/4271/40/
http://kgmb9.com/main/content/view/4271/40/
02-28-2008, 12:44 PM
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The statement from Ornstein regarding pilot fatigue is of interest:
"We don't write the rules, we abide by them. We've done it for 25 years and will continue to do so for the next 25 years."
Translation: "We've been doinking pilots for 25 years, and will do so for the next 25. PS - Who wants a job flying a shiny jet at mesa?"
"We don't write the rules, we abide by them. We've done it for 25 years and will continue to do so for the next 25 years."
Translation: "We've been doinking pilots for 25 years, and will do so for the next 25. PS - Who wants a job flying a shiny jet at mesa?"
02-28-2008, 12:58 PM
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Max 12 hours scheduled duty, maximum 14 hours actual duty.
If actual duty exceeds 12 but is less than 13 hours, minimum 10 hours "behind the door" rest. If exceeds 13 but less than 14, minimum 11 hours "behind the door" rest. If actual duty meets 14 hours minimum 12 hours "behind the door" rest.
We didn't learn anything with AA at LIT, we didn't learn anything with CorpEx in IRK, we haven't learned anything from the numerous 91/135 fatigue-related accidents. "We" is the FAA, the public, and yes even professional pilots. How much MORE blood has to be shed???
WAKE THE F UP FOLKS. If industry-wide duty limitations improving safety compromises the ability for somebody to do a 22 hour 3-day trip, in my eyes, so be it.
If actual duty exceeds 12 but is less than 13 hours, minimum 10 hours "behind the door" rest. If exceeds 13 but less than 14, minimum 11 hours "behind the door" rest. If actual duty meets 14 hours minimum 12 hours "behind the door" rest.
We didn't learn anything with AA at LIT, we didn't learn anything with CorpEx in IRK, we haven't learned anything from the numerous 91/135 fatigue-related accidents. "We" is the FAA, the public, and yes even professional pilots. How much MORE blood has to be shed???
WAKE THE F UP FOLKS. If industry-wide duty limitations improving safety compromises the ability for somebody to do a 22 hour 3-day trip, in my eyes, so be it.
02-28-2008, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by tsween
keep the rules the way the are, but we should get paid our hourly rate while we are on duty!
everyother profession you are compensated for time you are at the office or on company time
why not us?
everyother profession you are compensated for time you are at the office or on company time
why not us?
A recent 8 leg day I completed had 5.5 hours of unpaid turns. I'm pretty sure I wasn't just sitting there either during those turns. I recall working.
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