A few airlines can deal with a failure in initial training but will immediately terminate someone for failing the first PC.

A failure in the "almighty" 121 training is not the end of the world, nor the end of a flying career. It is unfortunate, not unacceptable. It is not a reason to go jump off the nearest bridge, pick up a few DUIs, or otherwise give up on yourself. The airline might have found the performance to be unacceptable, thus the "resign" or "sent home" response.

Go cry for a bit, then dust yourself off and get back flying something. Polish up the resume a bit, practice the two sentence reponse to the interview question on why you failed, practice the three sentence response for what you will do to make sure you won't fail in the next session, then get the resumes sent out and updated once again. Move on, it's all one can do.

Good luck!

 

Welcome to the club Rusty!! Only I got a full fledged failure.

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/sh...sted+checkride

Check your PRIA records. If there is no failure listed then you you can answer honestly, "I never failed a checkride." However, as someone else said, if you are asked if you did not complete training, you would have to answer yes.

Eitherway, it sucks. And it is a big stike against you. But YOU ARE NOT OUT! There are folks like Marcal who will say you should never fly pax (guess flying a 74 filled with boxes is okay), I say nuts to them! Take a long, hard, honest look at why you failed and figure out how be successful next time.

Don't be supprized if you don't get interviews/offers for a while. You may have to go back to whatever you were doing before. Can't go back? Find ANY flying job you can (pipeline patrol, fish spotting, hauling checks, anything), but keep flying. And keep applying! Look into those "evil bottom feeders" that so many folks bash: they may not be eden, but they are 121 and could give you a chance to prove yourself.

Suck it up, grit your teeth, and get back in there!!!

 

You can ask your previous employers' training department for a copy of your records, you can get it under pria or the freedom of information act. I have looked at other sites and have found some people who did this and wondered why they were having such a hard time getting a job was because thier previous employer had tried to screw them over, one guy said he worked for a very large regional airline that knowingly put into his records he was the worse pilot ever etc. Only after his lawyer threatened to sue the bastards did they change his records, think I saw the information on jetcareers or flightinfo.

I think its' good advice to check your records, and while info given under pria is protected, if the employer willfully gives out false information in an effort to sabotage your career, you can sue the dog crap out of them.

 

Have you tried applying elsewhere to see if you'll get a call for an interview, at the least? Try, try again bud.

 

i would try to complete a training course of some type even if it was 135 flying freight for cherry air. get some jet time somewhere.

try to complete a program somehwere else without the pressure. you just need more grooming and experience it sounds like. this will build your confidence and the next time those jets speeds and SOPs won't get you.

it will work out for you in the end. i know it will

 

(Not wanting to highjack the thread)

While on the subject of getting a copy of PRIAs, you can also get a copy of your medical file just to make sure somebody elses restriction doesn't get into your stuff. I have the same first, middle, and last name as private pilot who has "issues", so I ckeck my stuff every couple of years.

 

PRIA only takes effect at the time of hire, at which point the hiring airline is required to submit PRIA requests to anyone who has employed you as a pilot. These past employers are required to respond by forwarding all of your training and flight-ops discipline records, going back 5 years IIRC. Non-flight ops discipline records are not supposed to be returned and includes such things as punching your CP, phantom pooper, constantly late for work, etc.

There is no "central repository" for PRIA records, they consist simply of whatever records your past employer has. In the case of a part 91 employer, they might have no records at all. For this reason you cannot do a PRIA check on yourself (you CAN request all of your FAA records at any time, and should probably do so).

The only way you can find out what records a certain PRIA request will return is to check a box on the form which obligates the respondents to send a copy to you also...the downside is that by the time you get the info it's probably too late to resolve any issues. But check the box anyway, just so you know for future job hunts.

PRIA requests do NOT go to the military services (active or reserve). A hiring airline will want to see your DD-214 (the full-length copy), and military flight records...they know how to read between the lines on a DD-214 (so...why didn't you get a NMCAM at the end of your last tour?).

 

Depends on your instructor. My instructor focused completely on maneuvers and flows where I was never taught the FMS. I ended up having to get a spare sim because when I did my checkride I was unsure how to use several of it's functions. The computer trainers were broken and since my instructor didn't cover it I had no knowledge of it.

There's no shame in not making it. There is shame in working so long to make it this far then to quit.

 

I'm with the guys who say to go to cargo. Summertime is a great time to get comfortable with single pilot operations, then survive a winter in hard IFR and you'll be "line current" and very confident for your next step.

If you don't have the 1200 hours for part 135 IFR PIC, you might try "VFR only" operations in places like LAS and PHX where they only require the PIC to have 500 hours if they're flying cargo or less than 10 PAX.

 

Your experience is unfortunate, yet not terribly uncommon, saw it many many many times when i was a new-hire at Trans States, happened on a repeat basis until Feb-Mar 07, when some changes were made and extra sim sessions were awarded, before then, they'd just send you packing. Lots of those buddies are now off at other regionals, several at expressjet and are loving it there, so just remember that NO this isn't the end of the world.

As far as your question, technically, you did bust out of training. However, you most likely don't have a failure on your training record. You'll have to explain to individuals why you resigned from training, just be honest, explain what you learned from the situation, and move on. If the first company doesn't hire you, try again, eventually you'll find someone who will, and at some point in your career, this will just be a far distant memory.