What will happen to RAH's 170s with F9?

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04-12-2008 | 07:44 AM

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yeah ask my boyfriend how well the furloughing went in 2004..... real well

But wait...I never got furloughed by Mesaba!

04-12-2008 | 07:48 AM

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That is true, but your next sentence does not make any sense. If CRJ9 is more efficient why would DAL move towards E175 fleet for regionals?

Sorry about that. I should have worded my post a lot better.

I only was referring to DL replacing S5's E170's with E175. Six more seats for the same fuel efficiency. I was not referring to the CR9 fleet; they are here to stay.

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04-12-2008 | 08:08 AM

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That being said don't you think the 170s and 175s should be flown by mainline pilots? I think US Airways did it right with the 190s. I believe Air Canada pilots fly their 170s or 175s.

A 5yr CA at RAH on the 175 makes about $300 less a month than a 5yr 190 Captain at US Airways. So who's done what right?

04-12-2008 | 08:10 AM

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Though Delta wants to cut Domestic Capacity, so I'm not sure that more aircraft are in the immediate plans.

Now if there is a merger, well then I think there would be a demand for them as they could unfortunately be used to replace some DC-9's

Delta wants to cut their domestic capacity. They aren't talking about regional markets. They might actually increase E-jets

04-12-2008 | 08:39 AM

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A 5yr CA at RAH on the 175 makes about $300 less a month than a 5yr 190 Captain at US Airways. So who's done what right?

What are you getting at Duck? At 12yrs a RAH Cpt makes a dollar more than a 12 year US air pilot. RAH Cpt tops at 119 an hour, Airways tops at 95 year ten. Keep in mind there are very few ten year captains at US Air.

Don't forget that RAH payscale includes a 99 seat 190/5.

For what its worth I'd rather of seen 170's at mainline. I'd rather of never seen crj900's. You and I have Zero control over any of that, never did. Airways pilots IMHO should of NEVER given up mid atlantic. They did not have much choice with Mesa 900's on the block.

What erks me is that everyone is crying effiency yet air canada makes money on 175's. Enough to pay there pilots properly! 3rd year FO $60. Capt $114 And we are talking about an industry leading contract, we'll see.

04-12-2008 | 08:51 AM

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A 5yr CA at RAH on the 175 makes about $300 less a month than a 5yr 190 Captain at US Airways. So who's done what right?

It maybe a small difference if we are talking about just the hourly rate x guarantee. How long have the Airways 190s been on property? I'm going to assume not as long as Republic has had 170/175s. I'm quite certain the Airways 190 pay will be going up if the airline doesn't tear itself apart. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that US Airways probably has better workrules too.

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04-12-2008 | 09:09 AM

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Lets also keep in mind the USAirways has other larger airplanes that pay more money than the 190, as the 190 is the entry level aircraft at US but is the largest equipment at RAH. Potential for career advancement is a huge factor here. Sure, a 12 year RAH captain makes more than a US 190 Captain, but who has the last laugh when the US captain moves over to the 320, 757, and eventually 330. The RAH captain has nowhere else to go.

04-12-2008 | 09:14 AM

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the DC3 was mainline once too - 21 to 29 seats. look at the fleet histories of the majors. do you see a trend or a conspiracy? it's simple economics, the sub 100 seat flying is not going to the mainline and nobody laments this more than I.

04-12-2008 | 11:15 AM

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A 5yr CA at RAH on the 175 makes about $300 less a month than a 5yr 190 Captain at US Airways. So who's done what right?

Depends... are there any 5-year captains flying the 190 at US Airways? Which of the airlines is more stable?

04-12-2008 | 11:27 AM

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As was said above, Airways 190 rates don't matter much since people don't stay put there. Most of the FO's bid up to Group 2 aircraft as soon as possible after their first year seat lock.