Have ya flown w/ Captain "You've got arms, doncha?"
04-13-2008 | 06:23 AM
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If the CA is off making PA's or radio calls and I need some configuration change quickly (happens a lot during cleanup to departure), I'll make a hand signal and follow it up verbally when they get back. Works out fine. There is nothing that requires you to act that quickly. It irritates me when CA's get their hand up on the gear when they decide its time to put the gear down on my leg. I hate it even more when they just decide to put the gear down. If you really want it down that bad, ask what I think about putting the gear down.
04-13-2008 | 07:27 AM
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[quote=FlexThrust;362340]How much use is the PRP going to be if you lose one at rotation? How much professionalism is he displaying to his FO's, some of whom in today's world of 300 hour wonders will undoubtedly think he is a funny guy, and will one day attempt to emulate him.
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Failing to see the connection. So flying patterns in a C-172 for another 500 hours will make a difference?
How bout just saying any new FO who has never flown in that environment...
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Failing to see the connection. So flying patterns in a C-172 for another 500 hours will make a difference?
How bout just saying any new FO who has never flown in that environment...
04-13-2008 | 07:35 AM
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If the CA is off making PA's or radio calls and I need some configuration change quickly (happens a lot during cleanup to departure), I'll make a hand signal and follow it up verbally when they get back. Works out fine. There is nothing that requires you to act that quickly. It irritates me when CA's get their hand up on the gear when they decide its time to put the gear down on my leg. I hate it even more when they just decide to put the gear down. If you really want it down that bad, ask what I think about putting the gear down.
04-13-2008 | 08:36 AM
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CFIng is a tool, because you ARE actually the PIC. Especially with new primary students. CRM should be developed there.
There is a fine line between a captain doing the right thing for his "almost upgrading FO" and a captain being disturbingly lazy. In the busy airspace that is the U.S. that basically brings a jet to single pilot ops...no excuse, and unacceptable in my book.
04-13-2008 | 09:30 AM
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All I am saying is that if they ARENT going to do standard, I'm not saying it's right, they just need to tell you, hey man, i'm not going to pull you're gear, you do it! That way they aren't figuring this out at 50' while receiving a birdstrike. I'm not saying it's right, but it's less wrong... what do you think?? His time will come to talk to standards...
04-13-2008 | 09:48 AM
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The 300 hour wonders have ABSOLUTELY NO real CRM experience. If you get/have your CFI, you'll learn the law of primacy, and come to realize that if a 300 hour pilot gets put into a despicable CRM situation...said 300 hour pilot will think that's the way things should be done/can be done/"i can get away with this if he can".
CFIng is a tool, because you ARE actually the PIC. Especially with new primary students. CRM should be developed there.
There is a fine line between a captain doing the right thing for his "almost upgrading FO" and a captain being disturbingly lazy. In the busy airspace that is the U.S. that basically brings a jet to single pilot ops...no excuse, and unacceptable in my book.
CFIng is a tool, because you ARE actually the PIC. Especially with new primary students. CRM should be developed there.
There is a fine line between a captain doing the right thing for his "almost upgrading FO" and a captain being disturbingly lazy. In the busy airspace that is the U.S. that basically brings a jet to single pilot ops...no excuse, and unacceptable in my book.
04-13-2008 | 09:51 AM
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No, it's not the 300 hour wonders fault that they have NO experience in the CRM environment. I was trying to convey my disgust at the captain who does these things.
04-13-2008 | 10:03 AM
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he is not criticizing the 300 pilot at all, merely pointing out that he's human. the new FO is learning and is easily taught good or bad habits. this is an example of a CA teaching all the wrong habits that can be easily repeated later on.
04-13-2008 | 10:31 AM
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I completely agree. Having a CA do that is extremely counter-productive. The worst part about it is that it just isn't how they fly, but it's their personality and demeanor in general that is annoying.
04-13-2008 | 01:03 PM
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you're completely missing his point, and hes making a great point.
he is not criticizing the 300 pilot at all, merely pointing out that he's human. the new FO is learning and is easily taught good or bad habits. this is an example of a CA teaching all the wrong habits that can be easily repeated later on.
he is not criticizing the 300 pilot at all, merely pointing out that he's human. the new FO is learning and is easily taught good or bad habits. this is an example of a CA teaching all the wrong habits that can be easily repeated later on.
This is exactly the point I was making. I'm not blaming the 300 hour guy for anything, just stresing that a 300 hour pilot hasnt had the experience to decelop CRM and judgement skills. You can teach mechanical flying skills to anyone in 300 hours, but that pilot will still be looking to the more experienced people he or she flies with for an example of how to utilize and develop that CRM and judgement.
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