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Old 08-01-2007, 01:56 PM   #1  
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Default Continental Equipment System Bid Seniority and DOH

The following is based on the latest CAL equipment system bid that is effective next August. This means that theoretically this is how our airline will be staffed on August 1, 2008. This is based on a snap shot of the bid (if the bid would have closed today) although the bid doesn't actually close until August 7. However based on previous bids there will be only minor changes to these numbers.

I have listed each equipment, base and status based on what seniority would hold at the 25th percentile, 50th percentile, 75th percentile and the bottom bidder in terms of system seniority number and date of hire at Continental. Due to the very complicated seniority list mergers between Continental and Texas International, New York Air, People Express, Frontier and an extremely complicated flow through agreement with Continental Express (ended prior to current hiring spree from 6/05 to present) I have attempted to convert (if possible) to a CAL date of hire or used the other merged into airline date of hire with a note.

The following was very time consuming and difficult to do via a bid graph with many interpolations so mistakes are possible. However for the FO positions especially those hired after 6/05 are accurate.


CAPTAIN

IAH 777
25% #70 DOH 10/77
50% #190 DOH 10/78
75% # 359 DOH 11/83
100% #429 DOH 12/83

NYC 777
25% #240 DOH 4/79
50% #492 DOH 12/83
75% #752 DOH 5/84
100% #1270 DOH 3/86 New York Air

IAH 757/767
25% #359 DOH 11/83
50% #675 DOH 4/84
75% #1190 DOH 5/84 People Express
100% #1752 DOH 6/87

NYC 757/767
25% #611 DOH 2/84
50% #1340 DOH 1/86
75% #1965 DOH 12/87
100% 3206 DOH 8/98

IAH B737
25% #1037 DOH 6/85
50% #1801 DOH 7/87
75% #2550 DOH 8/90 CALEXP
100% #3523 DOH 9/00

GUM 737
25% #630 DOH 3/84
50% #1479 DOH 7/86 People Express
75% #1980 DOH 1/88
100% #2865 DOH 1/98

CLE 737
25% 1100 10/85 New York Air
50% 1520 3/87
75% 2129 3/87
100% 3108 6/98

EWR B737
25% 1450 6/86 People Express
50% 2450 1/90 CALEXP
75% 3225 8/98
100% 3947 8/30/2005

FIRST OFFICER

IAH 777
25% 800 7/83 People Express
50% 1700 6/87
75% 2450 1/90 CALEXP
100% 3044 4/98

EWR 777
25% 2293 6/90
50% 2950 2/98
75% 3600 3/01
100% 4719 2/07

IAH 757/767
25% 2390 9/89 CALEXP
50% 3250 9/98
75% 4002 9/05
100% To Be Hired

NYC 757/767
25% 3225 8/98
50% 4170 1/06
75% 4800 3/07
100% To Be Hired

IAH 737
25% 3536 1/01
50% 4315 3/06
75% 4750 2/07
100% To Be Hired

NYC 737
25% 4002 9/05
50% 4737 2/07
75% To Be Hired
100% To Be Hired

CLE 737
25% 3250 9/98
50% 3729 4/05
75% 4480 10/06
100% To Be Hired

GUM 737
25% 3225 8/98
50% 3900 7/05
75% 4526 11/06
100% To Be Hired
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Old 08-01-2007, 02:06 PM   #2  
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Look at that EWR 737. 2 years to Capt. This should continue for quite a while!! What a pay raise!!
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No. Three years. Yes, still very fast, granted. No right to complain. Remember though, that person will be one of the last to be trained, most likely next summer. The bid is the picture as of 8/1/2008, not today.
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Not necessarily. Training for this bid could begin as soon as October. Under the current contract with bidding for training classes many decide to train as late as possible, some try to play the game and not train until the next bid is out to give them an out option. Many decide to wait until many below them are trained as to not be to junior when they finish training.

Anything is possible but I believe many will be trained sooner rather than later. Also safe bet many will train in Nov and Dec because of the holidays. If you are junior no guarantees you could be involuntarily assigned to training in relative short order.

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Ok. That makes sense. Interesting... I just assumed that training would generally occur in seniority order because the desire for the pay increase would be the driving factor overall.
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Look at that EWR 737. 2 years to Capt. This should continue for quite a while!! What a pay raise!!
This is exactly the kind of statement that management loves. I got news for you. Making CA in two years and going from FO to CA is NOT, REPEAT, NOT a payraise.
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No. Three years. Yes, still very fast, granted. No right to complain. .
I have alot to complain about. Our contract and the pay rates suck. You guys are happy that we have 2-3 yr pilots holding CA but I see the underlining problem with our contract that we have 23 yr. FOs and 2-3 year CAs on this bid. I've got 17 yrs and am bidding out of the CA seat on this bid to the B777 FO seat just to have at least some resemblance of QOL. So enjoy that big fat pay raise and be sure and vote yes for what-ever the company shoves down our throats in 2009. Sorry, you don't get it.

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I have alot to complain about. Our contract and the pay rates suck. You guys are happy that we have 2-3 yr pilots holding CA but I see the underlining problem with our contract that we have 23 yr. FOs and 2-3 year CAs on this bid. I've got 17 yrs and am bidding out of the CA seat on this bid to the B777 FO seat just to have at least some resemblance of QOL. So enjoy that big fat pay raise and be sure and vote yes for what-ever the company shoves down our throats in 2009. Sorry, you don't get it.

I agree......I have 20 yrs. with CAL. Enjoy being a JUNIOR Captain boys. When the (pinch me I'm a Captain wears off) you will realize the mistake you made.
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I'm confused with your numbers for IAH 756 FO. According to the bid, there are 0 vacancies for this position. How would new-hires be awarded this position if current CAL pilots can't hold it.
I'm still pretty new, so forgive my ignorance of how all this works.
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Why do think they hired all those 23yr old FO's?
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