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and half-way decent... that is real nice too
hahah, j/kOriginally Posted by Paok
Oh no you didn't......... and PS I am cut off.. I pay a lot of bills smartyand half-way decent... that is real nice too
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Perhaps that says more about the mindset of those two than about their jobs. If they could have traded lives, the sweeper might well be a happy pilot and the pilot an unhappy sweeper.Originally Posted by SkyHigh
In four bars (the Captain's) life was difficult, lonely and miserable while this lowly old man who only had a mop and broom in his command was able to mop in peace and happiness.
There will be no happy threads as long as Skyhigh is around. Don't even try it...
Skyhigh, and "most of his friends", are unhappy with their career choice.
DE, and "most of his friends" are happy with their career choice.
Not sure why that is, really, but that's my observation.
Luck plays a big part in the profession, no doubt. Skyhigh was unlucky but did his aviation career no favors by making the choice to quit the profession. Perhaps he could have turned his 757 F/O time at National Airlines into a job at UPS. Then he wouldn't be pushing his anti-career agenda at APC. UPS hired 650 pilots since Skyhigh lost his 757 F/O job.
In my experience, those who have done well with the career far outweigh the Skyhighs of the world. It's a cyclical biz currently in the dumps. Who knows what the future will bring.
Skyhigh, and "most of his friends", are unhappy with their career choice.
DE, and "most of his friends" are happy with their career choice.
Not sure why that is, really, but that's my observation.
Luck plays a big part in the profession, no doubt. Skyhigh was unlucky but did his aviation career no favors by making the choice to quit the profession. Perhaps he could have turned his 757 F/O time at National Airlines into a job at UPS. Then he wouldn't be pushing his anti-career agenda at APC. UPS hired 650 pilots since Skyhigh lost his 757 F/O job.
In my experience, those who have done well with the career far outweigh the Skyhighs of the world. It's a cyclical biz currently in the dumps. Who knows what the future will bring.
well said de727ups!
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Skyhigh, and "most of his friends", are unhappy with their career choice.
DE, and "most of his friends" are happy with their career choice.
Not sure why that is, really, but that's my observation.
Luck plays a big part in the profession, no doubt. Skyhigh was unlucky but did his aviation career no favors by making the choice to quit the profession. Perhaps he could have turned his 757 F/O time at National Airlines into a job at UPS. Then he wouldn't be pushing his anti-career agenda at APC. UPS hired 650 pilots since Skyhigh lost his 757 F/O job.
In my experience, those who have done well with the career far outweigh the Skyhighs of the world. It's a cyclical biz currently in the dumps. Who knows what the future will bring.
Originally Posted by de727ups
There will be no happy threads as long as Skyhigh is around. Don't even try it...Skyhigh, and "most of his friends", are unhappy with their career choice.
DE, and "most of his friends" are happy with their career choice.
Not sure why that is, really, but that's my observation.
Luck plays a big part in the profession, no doubt. Skyhigh was unlucky but did his aviation career no favors by making the choice to quit the profession. Perhaps he could have turned his 757 F/O time at National Airlines into a job at UPS. Then he wouldn't be pushing his anti-career agenda at APC. UPS hired 650 pilots since Skyhigh lost his 757 F/O job.
In my experience, those who have done well with the career far outweigh the Skyhighs of the world. It's a cyclical biz currently in the dumps. Who knows what the future will bring.
I have had a lot of friends with much better resumes than I who have tried to crack the rock known as UPS without any luck. To date there has only been one guy who I have even flown with or known who has ever been hired there. (and he had high internal connections) When they were hiring how many slipped through the crack? Perhaps 700 over the last 10 years? I really do not know. They have been closed to hiring for most of my career. Perhaps I could have turned my time at N7 into a job at UPS but it was highly unlikely.
I am sure that your last new hire classes were populated with military heroes and astronauts. It is easier for the rest of us to know when we are beaten. My point is that at some time most everyone needs to pull the plug or settle with a heavily discounted version of their dream. When would you suppose that someone draw the line and salvage what is left of their life? 35, 45, 55? When does it become ridiculous to continue? You have to know that your career is rare. I would guess that you are at least one out of 300.
It is no surprise to me that you would see aviation is a world of plenty. You fly with millionaires almost everyday however it is no coincidence that over the last few years my opposition here has almost exclusively been from FedEx and UPS pilots. I can assure you that the rest of aviation is not so happy.
SkyHigh
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I appreciate the effort son, but thanks anyways
I hope those words don't come back to haunt you one day.Originally Posted by BankAngle09
Sorry mighty wise man, your just another on my list of guys who have layed advice out on the table for me, thanks but no thanks brother, i do look out for myself, hance no kids of my own yet and no complaints at this point and i do just fine in planning ahead. I appreciate the effort son, but thanks anyways
Best of luck,
SkyHigh
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I agree that DAL captain was a mess. He could of lived his life much better. However to me it seemed that his ego was in control. Originally Posted by tomgoodman
Perhaps that says more about the mindset of those two than about their jobs. If they could have traded lives, the sweeper might well be a happy pilot and the pilot an unhappy sweeper.
SkyHigh
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All of us are destined to become our parents one day. There is benefit, reason and purpose to the 9 to 5 life.
SkyHigh
To all you unhappy pilots: Get out, this job sucks and we don't need any more unhappiness than there already is. Besides, I really need to move up another number!Originally Posted by SkyHigh
In our youth most of us here were idealistic and held similar attitudes or else we would not have let ourselves be tricked into this profession in the first place. I am here to appeal to the 40 year old in you that will come into being in the future. And, that guy needs money, stability and time at home. All of us are destined to become our parents one day. There is benefit, reason and purpose to the 9 to 5 life.
SkyHigh
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I didn't bash young kids. I don't come to work to whine to my FO all week. I would stay in this if I thought my marriage would be stisfactory for the long run. right now I see us getting divorced when the kids are out of school or by jr. high/high school. We've tried to make things work, neither of us are able to meet each other's needs and the bitterness and resentment keeps growing. My wanting to get out isn't about the lack of money.Originally Posted by BankAngle09
Its not like your pay went down as you gained seniority bud...you know what you were getting yourself into, and if you have a family to think about, you should have thought about a different gig if its SO hard. So people do love the job and KNEW what they were about to be paid, dont justify your your brilliant decision or bash a young kid cause all you need is money. We're not going to get raises because people feel bad you're carrying extra baggage.
However the facts are the majors have lost pensions and have taken 50% plus pay cuts and are home less with worse work rules than previously before 9/11. With the scope the majors are giving up you're likely to end up flying an RJ or a big RJ for a large part of your career. Your career is not going to be what it used to.
I did acheive my dream, I did count the cost, and I'm glad I did it too. Don't bust my balls for expressing how I feel now after being gone from my wife and family for more half the time for the last 8 years.
Time to get to bed. My wonderful 3:15 wake up call at the Fairfield Inn is coming soon!
