read part 61.51 very carefully...
 

No. You may not log pilot-in-command time until you complete IOE, including your FED ride, and then sign for the aircraft on your first line flight.

Part 61.51(e)(1) does not apply to ATP's. To quote the regulation...

"61.51 Pilot logbooks...(e) Logging pilot-in-command flight time (1) A sport, recreational, private, or commercial pilot may log pilot-in-command time only...". The is no ATP listed in 61.51(e)(1). Once you obtain an ATP, part 61.51(e)(1) no longer applies to you. You may no longer log "sole manipulator" PIC time under this regulation for any aircraft ever again. The purpose of this regulation was to allow you to log required PIC flight time toward certificates and ratings, to build experience under the watchful eye of a more seasoned pilot. Once you reach an ATP, that purpose has been achieved.

Under 61.51(e)(2) an ATP may log PIC time while acting as PIC of an operation requiring an ATP certificate. However, this "PIC" is defined in Part 1.1 under Pilot in command. He's the guy who's ultimately responsible.

If you have a check airman in the right seat and he signs the paper work, he's the PIC. And if you screw the approach up enough he'll be happy to inform you of that fact by stating rather loudly, "My Aircraft!" :)

Hey!! IOE went great. Only had to fill out one ASAP:rolleyes:

What about being observed by a Check-Airman for your first flight into a special airport such as KTEX? Can you log it as PIC, or does the Check Airman log it as PIC?

Who signed for the aircraft and is the captain of the flight? And wow you are really went retro on this, 3.5 years... Wow

The release at SKW lists the Check airman as PIC and the new CA as SIC, and I imagine other airlines are the same.

With that said, yes you can log sole manipulator PIC on your legs only just like you could as an FO...it's FAR legal.

But it would be really, really stupid to actually do that because major airlines are only interested in command PIC when you were actually in charge of the operation.

If you want to log it for whatever reason (insurance?), do it in a separate column and don't include that time as PIC when you apply to majors.

Who is the PIC on the release? Probably the check airman, but if it's you then log away.

You can log it however you want, that is your right, but future employers will most likely not count that time towards their minimums.

Technically you could log PIC on IOE, when you are the sole manipulator and since you are most "performing the duties of PIC". That being said most companies define PIC as "The person who signs for the plane", so you might get a funny look in an interview if they look for your IOE and it is all logged as PIC.

In the grand scheme of things 25 hours is not a lot of time. I wouldn't log it just for the sake of not creating hassle for yourself at an interview.

Seriously, in the big picture, that 10-25 hours of Captain's OE that somebody might want to log as PIC really isn't going to matter much anyway.

Totally agree, sounds like logging only what you've signed for keeps everything nice and tidy.

Wrapped around the axle. I love this analogy, works good, lasts long time here.