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Old 04-28-2008 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
There's essentially zero growth market for 50-seaters, and there are reductions being made. A 70 has significantly more revenue potential, with only slightly higher costs, and a 90 more so.

50 seaters can still make money, they just have to be full or almost full on most routes. There will probably always be a niche, but odds are that smaller RJ's move away from mainline routes and go back to doing what they were designed to do in the first place...right sized service to Podunk Falls, at a premium price.
50-seaters will make more than a 70-seater and 90-seater anytime there is less than 55 seats sold.

You forget that 15 seats sold on the 70-seater is the same as the 50-seater (minus first class of-course). The 70-seater costs more per hour, gas and cost of the plane (its newer and bigger)
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Old 04-28-2008 | 01:11 PM
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did ANYONE think that branded flying was going to be successfulvwhen they announed they were going to do it?
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Old 04-28-2008 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Paok
did ANYONE think that branded flying was going to be successfulvwhen they announed they were going to do it?
the west coast operation does well. How much do you know about the branded operation?
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Old 04-28-2008 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by tpersuit
50-seaters will make more than a 70-seater and 90-seater anytime there is less than 55 seats sold.

You forget that 15 seats sold on the 70-seater is the same as the 50-seater (minus first class of-course). The 70-seater costs more per hour, gas and cost of the plane (its newer and bigger)
Are you sure about those numbers? When you look at it on a CASM basis, does it ALWAYS work out to be 55 seats? Are you talking SKW's, PNCL's, MESA's, PSA's, ASA's, COMAIR's, Gojets's, or RAH's CASM?
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Old 04-28-2008 | 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Paok
did ANYONE think that branded flying was going to be successfulvwhen they announed they were going to do it?
Branded broke even in March and we stop flying over 40 flights a day that were not that productive. I think Branded is doing fairly well.
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Old 04-28-2008 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Superpilot92
the west coast operation does well. How much do you know about the branded operation?
Yup. 73% load factor in March! I think if we further moved aircraft west from some of the low yield SAT routes I think we'd be doing pretty decently.
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Old 04-28-2008 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by dojetdriver
Are you sure about those numbers? When you look at it on a CASM basis, does it ALWAYS work out to be 55 seats? Are you talking SKW's, PNCL's, MESA's, PSA's, ASA's, COMAIR's, Gojets's, or RAH's CASM?
Explain to me how flying an empty 170/190 is cheaper than a empty 145?
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Old 04-28-2008 | 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Paok
did ANYONE think that branded flying was going to be successfulvwhen they announed they were going to do it?
If only the fuel costs were the same as when the Branded started last April, I think it would be at least break even right now. It would have proven the naysayers wrong. But not much you can do when the price of fuel is so high.
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Old 04-28-2008 | 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by tpersuit
Branded broke even in March and we stop flying over 40 flights a day that were not that productive. I think Branded is doing fairly well.
When did XJET say that branded broke even for March?
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Old 04-28-2008 | 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by dontsurf
interesting. two different issues there, though. you already mentioned the CAL part. but this isn't a "merger", it's a buyout by what is basically a holding company, skywest inc. it'll be interesting to see how it all works out, negotiation-wise, between not only skywest inc. and the board of directors and shareholders of expressjet, but also between skywest inc. and expressjet pilots, with that issue.
The CAL part is iron clad, I think the language in the general scope is a little bit more ambiguous - like you hinted at. Take a look. Maybe we couldn't force a complete merger, maybe we could but we still hold all the CAL flying as there is no ambiguity in Letter 1.

3. Unless otherwise agreed, the following provisions shall apply in the event of a
successorship transaction in which the successor is an air carrier or an affiliate of
an air carrier, or a transaction in which the Company acquires control of another
air carrier; and

a. The integration of the seniority lists of the respective pilot groups shall
be governed by Association Merger Policy if both pre-transaction pilot
groups are represented by the Association. If the other pre-transaction
group is not represented by the Association, Sections 3 and 13 of the
Allegheny-Mohawk Labor Protective Provisions ("LPP") shall apply. The
successor or Company, as appropriate, shall accept the integrated
seniority list, including any conditions and restrictions, established
through Association merger policy or LPP proceedings, as applicable;
and,
b. The respective pilot collective bargaining agreements shall be merged
into one agreement as the result of negotiations among the pilot groups
and the successor or the Company. If a fully merged agreement is not
executed within 9 months from the date a final and binding integrated
pilot seniority list is issued, the parties shall jointly submit outstanding
issues to binding interest arbitration; and,
c. The aircraft (including orders and options to purchase aircraft) and the
operations of each pre-transaction airline shall remain separated until
such time as both pilots’ seniority lists are integrated and the pilot
collective bargaining agreements are combined in accordance with
paragraphs D.3.a. and D.3.b., above; and,
d. Pending the merger of the pre-transaction carrier and the pilot collective
bargaining agreements and seniority lists, no pilot on the Pilots’ Seniority
List shall be reduced in status or pay category as an effect of the merger,
purchase or acquisition.

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