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Just wondering what's the latest with XJT and Skywest? Since I'm not in the know, does the contract need to be amended for a buyout to occur?

And has management requested a meeting for the skywest offer? And what are the odds of this buyout happening?

Weeeellll...

The XJT pilot contract has a provision to force an integrated seniority list with any merged, acquired, or purchasing company.

SKW mngt. appears to be 100% unwilling to force-integrate the non-union SKW pilots into a union pilot group...which makes sense considering their efforts to oppose unions at SKW.

So something has to give here...presumably SKW is willing to negotiate an agreement to keep XJT as a seperate pilot group, and odds are good that the XJT pilots willingly would come to an agreement.

The big hurdle is that XJT management does not want to sell. However, CAL has made it clear (formally, in writing) that XJT will lose CAL flying if they don't sell to SKW or lower their fee for the CAL flying. Since CAL seems to want this to happen, I'd guess there's a good chance that it will...eventually.

Just wondering, but why not only merge with ASA?

I personally don't want the Skywest guys to take our west coast bases and then I would have to get re-hired at my same company to get back to them. If I wanted to work at Skywest I would've applied there already, but XJT had the bases I wanted. If they let me come over with DOH then I would consider that too.

Same list, or no go.

It's complicated...

The operating certificates need to remain seperate due to CAL mainline scope which forbids any CAL regional from operating RJ's larger than 50 seats.

You could simply merge the ASA and XJT pilot lists, and keep the certificates seperate, but then you would need complex rules about how/when pilots could trasition between certificates (fences, etc). Also you would have a royal battle over seniority integration, and the junior pilot group (XJT) would think they got stapled, and would sue and try to decertify alpa, etc, etc.

Merging any lists won't happen...it's a big headache that Jerry doesn't want, as it would require obtuse amounts of advil/tylenol/motrin.

I don't think you're going to get one list with SKW unless you decertify alpa.

Yes, you're probably hosed on the western bases...

Don't know how long you've been in (or paying attention to) the regional business, but bases come and go like the wind....I've personally lost 3.

You should choose a regional based on geographic area, not specific domiciles. XJT is an EASTERN company...if you chose to work there, you should have been prepared to work in (or commute to) the EAST.

Western Regionals: SKW, QX, Eagle. There are a few slots for junior turboprop pilots at *mesa.

Esatern: RAH, XJT, AWAC, Eagle, *Mesa, and many others.


*Disclaimer: Don't run off and take a job at mesa, I mention them for informational purposes only.

What will be sad is when Skywest buys the assets and not the people. I think it will be Skywest terms or no job.

um, yeah. just like with asa, huh?

Even that might not always hold true... AWAC was not an "East coast Company" not too long ago...

True Statement.

If the purchase goes through, kiss the branded flying goodbye. If the purchase doesn't go through, kiss the branded flying goodbye sometime later. JA has stated that he would never become the next 'indy air' and I believe has commented on the profitability of the routes that XJT is running on the branded side.

Yeah, the purchase would only go through if XJT stripped those clauses from their contract. And, as much as CJT pilots would put up a fight, CAL would force them to drop the fight or they'll drop their flying, or take away their planes. It's shady, but CAL is not happy at the cost of XJT.

which is quite funny because Gordon and CAL set the prices...

You posted the same ridiculous statement on the other thread, so I will have no choice but to embarrass you again by pointing out your ignorance.

CAL, cannot under any circumstances afford to pull the plug on the CPA with XJT, as it happened in the past with United and ACA. There simply aren’t enough resources to cover the flying. Leaves two choices then, skywest negotiates with us (the pilots, the ones holding the only negotiable chip), or no sale. Either way, CAL will never let it escalate to a garage sale.

You're really giving slapphappy and experimental competition for the sought after “skywest cheerleader of the year" award.

New company memo came out today, very interesting stuff that i'm sure has much to do with the CAL flying.

Let me guess, you guys are pursuing authorization from the administrator to operate the emb 145? Have fun with that.

Just like the SkyWay pilots?

No one seems to want to address the obvious, if the sale does not materialize on the hypothetical account of a big NO vote from the XJT pilots, the worse that will happen is that CAL will follow through with their threat and pull 51 frames starting 1 and 1/2 year from now, the rest gradually from 2010-2012. CAL is not the only Airline out there, and we still have 70 options (but that's just speculating).

The issue here, is a lot of you are operating under this illusion that CAL can just pull the plug anytime (contractually they can) and just park the airplanes as a more suitable replacement comes in to do it for cheaper. Even if you guys got the frames overnight, where would you get at least 2000 pilots to operate a minimum of 206 frames? You'd be lucky to get 1000 from XJT; most of us would rather go down with ship to stick it to CAL if it ever came to that, is the least we could do for good ol jeff

As I've stated before, it will never come to that, the management at skywest is looking for long term, and they'll negotiate, they don't have a choice.

I wouldn't be so sure on that, they will get the Cal flying with or without XJt and seeing as how you lost ANOTHER 30 million I don't think you will survive to see the end of the Cal contract.

Xjt is in no position to negotiate, new info came out today that shows Skywest isn't going to keep this offer on the table forever and has a backup place.

I wouldn't count on getting much more flying for your surplus 50 seaters either Mesa is back cash positive and will probably outlast xjt. I'm sure we
will find out more tomorrow.

I suppose you forgot that little thing called scope clause over at CAL, that kinda kills your surplus theory.

I love the with or without you part...really, good luck sending a crj200 to BJX, MEX, SLP, VER, ACA, OAX, YYZ, just to name a few, which incidentally are CAL's most profitable routes on the rj. I suppose the mighty Bro will fill in the gaps....LOL.

31 million loss....wow, check our cash sheet lately? How much did UA, US, B6, CAL, AA, NWA, DAL, loss this time around?

While XJT management may or may not be in a position to negotiate, the pilot group certainly is. It almost brings me pleasure to see how much it hurts some folks here that a pilot group and it's union are the one thing that could or could not make this happen, it's too much fun to see how angry you guys get at the thought of our scope.

Who said anything about the crj200?

You may end up with a big shocker at the end of this year. I doubt anyone at skywest would be mad if the deal doesn't happen, especially considering that Skywest has been awarded the flying regardless.

Oh I can't hardly wait to hear this! Could you please state where in writing has CAL assigned flying to skywest. Attention! Attention everyone! Slap is about to post new information about new flying.

Nothing that hasn't been said already.

wow slap. It really looks like you want XJT to fall. Do you have some sort of problem with airlines that treat their employees like human beings? you're probably one of those people who are counting on Southwest fuel hedging to run out to level the playing field. You should be routing for these airlines. They've raised the bar. Drop the negativity and hope for the best at XJT. Remember, you're just a regional pilot. Quit acting high and mighty because you're company is trying to buy someone else. You have nothing to do with this. It's your bosses. It's your management. Your job is to fly the dang plane.

No you said the flying had been already awarded to skywest.

Show the rest of the class where we can get a copy of the new CPA between skywest and Continental Airlines.

It's not "you guys" it's a tiny a handful of jack*****, the same idiots you will find at any airline (or anywhere else for that matter).

But don't kid yourself...the eventual outcome of this has little to do with unions or scope. Scope gives the XJT group the opportunity to apply some control inputs...it's not likely to change the end result.

If XJT management doesn't get over it's stubborn streak it looks like they will be out of a job, and this isn't a good time for a 50-seat company to be out looking for work.

CAL scope is certainly a factor, but that can resolved in several ways:
1) Get relief from the CAL pilot group.
2) Start a NEW certificate (yes, this has been done before).
3) Buy an existing certificate which has ERJ's on it. I heard ornstien has one of those, and he needs cash badly...and it's already staffed with desperate young pilots who have proven they will do anything to fly an airplane.

The XJTers are still in a position to make a good deal, I think you can keep what you have. But don't reject SKW out of hand and then expect alpa to save your regional butts...not going to happen (I've tried it, it doesn't work).

I'm just trying to tell you what the probable outcome is and many of you are just to much into the koolaid to listen. Some of you are under the impression that you are in full control of the situation and that xjt will end getting what it wants when you know thats not going to happen.

Seriously brother, you got issues. You still haven't answer the question. Where is this illusive CPA which "already awarded the flying to skywest" as you put it.

Rick,

As with any complex equation, there are variables, however, at the moment they are in our favor, and as much as I support ALPA, I don't expect them to save the day. It is entirely up to us the pilots, and if it comes down to it, most of us will bet farm and either win big or lose big, but I won't sell the farm for pennies.

As far as scope at CAL, now that they're staying independent, I can assure you, it will stick, but don't take my word for it, ask the CAL guys.

The frames that Orstein has won't barely cover, but half of the flying in the immidiate future (51 frames as per the letter.)

I appreciate your honest and intellectual approach to the situation, and I've always respected your opinion. Unlike some of your co-workers, I hope his real talent is flying. :D

Dude, do you have any idea how much of a jackass you sound like? Don't go around saying that flying has been awarded when you don't know sh!t. You make the rest of your pilot group look bad as well. You are purely speculating in that pea brain of yours that CAL is going to give up it's scope, XJT will lose all it's flying, and SkyWest has already been awarded a contract to fly 70/90 seat aircraft...........and this is based on? Grow up, this is the problem with airlines hiring 20 yr old, 500 hr wunderkinds.

I didn't say anything about cal giving up scope on the 70 or 90 seaters, I just said that it might not be the crj200 that would be used. The letter that was sent to the xjet ceo from the cal ceo did say that CAL had already negoiated a new contract with skywest.

Btw, you should be the last one to talk about 500 hour wunderkids. That seems to be all what xjt has hired in the last 2 years. I don't need to remind you that skywest has a firm 1000 hour total time requirement?

I don't know why you expressjet pilots get so defensive, seems like everything is pretty cut and dry about the future.

Dear Jim and George:

We understand that SkyWest, Inc. (“SkyWest”) has delivered to you an offer to acquire ExpressJet Holdings, Inc. (“ExpressJet”). In connection with your consideration of such offer, we wanted to inform you of our understanding with SkyWest regarding a new capacity purchase agreement (“CPA”) and our intentions regarding our existing contractual relationship.

First, we confirm that we have negotiated a new CPA with SkyWest, which would become effective if SkyWest is successful in acquiring ExpressJet (which, in turn, is subject to due diligence, among other things), and that we would consent to the change of control that would occur upon such an acquisition.
_______________________________________________*__ __________________________________________________ _________


I'd be more than happy to forward a copy of the letter with a copy of Webster's dictionary, if it helps you. This is exactly why you have zero credibility on this board, and your maturity level shine's throught your comments, embarrasing the rest of your pilot group.

But you don't really think that it can't be changed do you? If you do end up calling their bluff don't you think there isn't already something in the works for the to be amended?

So then, do you mind explaining this comment? What's the big shocker? CAL caves on scope and SkyWest flies CRJ700's? SkyWest swoopes in and takes the 51 ERJ's, adds another fleet type, and has to train a ton of pilots? You might want to have some facts before you post crap like this. Instead you choose to flame. Did you expect anything other than a defensive response to this?

That's not what you said. You said, the CAL flying had "already been awarded to skywest", and I just proved why you have zero credibility on this site. Say what you want now.

In the real world son, there is such a thing as accountability for the things we say. My 6 year old already knows it, and you're trying to dig your way out of the hole you put yourself in, truly an embarrassment to your pilot group.

Yes, actually there could be a new fleet type.

Well honestly It doesn't really concern me what you think of me or anyone else for that matter. You can try can play the semantics game all you want but its just common sense to know that the contract between skywest and cal can and probably will be changed for whatever outcome this has.

anyway I'm done with this and we'll see who is right in the end.

I don't really understand why people seem to take all this so personally, some even saying they would want to cut off their nose to spite their face. This is just business as usual between CEOs. Don't let your ego and pride get wrapped up in their games.

XJT is getting backed into a corner and no matter how confindent you XJT guys feel, this isn't a good place to be. CAL is calling you out, and I don't know if there is a desirable option to pursue. Sticking it to CAL may lead to your demise and compromising your contract has obvious drawbacks. Nobody is saying XJT is a crummy airline. On the contrary, Jerry himself was in the ORD crew room singing XJT's praises (not their value to us but their overall worth in the industry in any capacity) just a week ago.

I won't speculate on the future because I'm just a line pilot without any really credible information. Just remember that pride and ignorance is fueling this rift between CAL and XJT. If I were the XJT pilot group I wouldn't fight fire with fire, they've (CAL) already proven that they will take a hit financially to bully you (XJT). It was common knowledge that the CHQ deal two years ago didn't save CAL any money and definitely caused a lot of headaches.

From a SKW pilot, I wish you guys the best of luck. XJT is a great regional and I would hate to see a good pilot go down.

Semantics = facts vs fiction.

Facts: Writen proof posted above as per the letter sent from CAL management to our ceo.

Fiction: A 20 year old skywest pilot speculating on a CPA with CAL that has not taken place.

You poor diluted soul.

People on this board are in for a shock. Skywest was given the FAA approval needed to fly the 145. It was granted yesterday.

I appreciate your thoughts, for the most part most folks here, just plain and simply don't care about CAL one way or the other, they are our customer and we go out and do the best job we can for them, just as we do for Delta, Charter, and Branded.

As said earlier by many on this and other sites, we will do whatever is in the best interest of our group. Let's be honest guys, neither CAL management nor skywest management has our best interest at heart.

Best of luck to all of us.