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Just wondering what's the latest with XJT and Skywest? Since I'm not in the know, does the contract need to be amended for a buyout to occur?
And has management requested a meeting for the skywest offer? And what are the odds of this buyout happening?
And has management requested a meeting for the skywest offer? And what are the odds of this buyout happening?
#2
Weeeellll...
The XJT pilot contract has a provision to force an integrated seniority list with any merged, acquired, or purchasing company.
SKW mngt. appears to be 100% unwilling to force-integrate the non-union SKW pilots into a union pilot group...which makes sense considering their efforts to oppose unions at SKW.
So something has to give here...presumably SKW is willing to negotiate an agreement to keep XJT as a seperate pilot group, and odds are good that the XJT pilots willingly would come to an agreement.
The big hurdle is that XJT management does not want to sell. However, CAL has made it clear (formally, in writing) that XJT will lose CAL flying if they don't sell to SKW or lower their fee for the CAL flying. Since CAL seems to want this to happen, I'd guess there's a good chance that it will...eventually.
The XJT pilot contract has a provision to force an integrated seniority list with any merged, acquired, or purchasing company.
SKW mngt. appears to be 100% unwilling to force-integrate the non-union SKW pilots into a union pilot group...which makes sense considering their efforts to oppose unions at SKW.
So something has to give here...presumably SKW is willing to negotiate an agreement to keep XJT as a seperate pilot group, and odds are good that the XJT pilots willingly would come to an agreement.
The big hurdle is that XJT management does not want to sell. However, CAL has made it clear (formally, in writing) that XJT will lose CAL flying if they don't sell to SKW or lower their fee for the CAL flying. Since CAL seems to want this to happen, I'd guess there's a good chance that it will...eventually.
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I personally don't want the Skywest guys to take our west coast bases and then I would have to get re-hired at my same company to get back to them. If I wanted to work at Skywest I would've applied there already, but XJT had the bases I wanted. If they let me come over with DOH then I would consider that too.
Same list, or no go.
Same list, or no go.
#5
It's complicated...
The operating certificates need to remain seperate due to CAL mainline scope which forbids any CAL regional from operating RJ's larger than 50 seats.
You could simply merge the ASA and XJT pilot lists, and keep the certificates seperate, but then you would need complex rules about how/when pilots could trasition between certificates (fences, etc). Also you would have a royal battle over seniority integration, and the junior pilot group (XJT) would think they got stapled, and would sue and try to decertify alpa, etc, etc.
The operating certificates need to remain seperate due to CAL mainline scope which forbids any CAL regional from operating RJ's larger than 50 seats.
You could simply merge the ASA and XJT pilot lists, and keep the certificates seperate, but then you would need complex rules about how/when pilots could trasition between certificates (fences, etc). Also you would have a royal battle over seniority integration, and the junior pilot group (XJT) would think they got stapled, and would sue and try to decertify alpa, etc, etc.
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I personally don't want the Skywest guys to take our west coast bases and then I would have to get re-hired at my same company to get back to them. If I wanted to work at Skywest I would've applied there already, but XJT had the bases I wanted. If they let me come over with DOH then I would consider that too.
Same list, or no go.
Same list, or no go.
Yes, you're probably hosed on the western bases...
Don't know how long you've been in (or paying attention to) the regional business, but bases come and go like the wind....I've personally lost 3.
You should choose a regional based on geographic area, not specific domiciles. XJT is an EASTERN company...if you chose to work there, you should have been prepared to work in (or commute to) the EAST.
Western Regionals: SKW, QX, Eagle. There are a few slots for junior turboprop pilots at *mesa.
Esatern: RAH, XJT, AWAC, Eagle, *Mesa, and many others.
*Disclaimer: Don't run off and take a job at mesa, I mention them for informational purposes only.
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I don't think you're going to get one list with SKW unless you decertify alpa.
Yes, you're probably hosed on the western bases...
Don't know how long you've been in (or paying attention to) the regional business, but bases come and go like the wind....I've personally lost 3.
You should choose a regional based on geographic area, not specific domiciles. XJT is an EASTERN company...if you chose to work there, you should have been prepared to work in (or commute to) the EAST.
Western Regionals: SKW, QX, Eagle. There are a few slots for junior turboprop pilots at *mesa.
Esatern: RAH, XJT, AWAC, Eagle, *Mesa, and many others.
*Disclaimer: Don't run off and take a job at mesa, I mention them for informational purposes only.
Yes, you're probably hosed on the western bases...
Don't know how long you've been in (or paying attention to) the regional business, but bases come and go like the wind....I've personally lost 3.
You should choose a regional based on geographic area, not specific domiciles. XJT is an EASTERN company...if you chose to work there, you should have been prepared to work in (or commute to) the EAST.
Western Regionals: SKW, QX, Eagle. There are a few slots for junior turboprop pilots at *mesa.
Esatern: RAH, XJT, AWAC, Eagle, *Mesa, and many others.
*Disclaimer: Don't run off and take a job at mesa, I mention them for informational purposes only.
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