EJT Latest
#12
New Hire
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
If the purchase goes through, kiss the branded flying goodbye. If the purchase doesn't go through, kiss the branded flying goodbye sometime later. JA has stated that he would never become the next 'indy air' and I believe has commented on the profitability of the routes that XJT is running on the branded side.
Yeah, the purchase would only go through if XJT stripped those clauses from their contract. And, as much as CJT pilots would put up a fight, CAL would force them to drop the fight or they'll drop their flying, or take away their planes. It's shady, but CAL is not happy at the cost of XJT.
Yeah, the purchase would only go through if XJT stripped those clauses from their contract. And, as much as CJT pilots would put up a fight, CAL would force them to drop the fight or they'll drop their flying, or take away their planes. It's shady, but CAL is not happy at the cost of XJT.
#13
Line Holder
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 687
Likes: 12
From: Maddog FO
If the purchase goes through, kiss the branded flying goodbye. If the purchase doesn't go through, kiss the branded flying goodbye sometime later. JA has stated that he would never become the next 'indy air' and I believe has commented on the profitability of the routes that XJT is running on the branded side.
Yeah, the purchase would only go through if XJT stripped those clauses from their contract. And, as much as CJT pilots would put up a fight, CAL would force them to drop the fight or they'll drop their flying, or take away their planes. It's shady, but CAL is not happy at the cost of XJT.
Yeah, the purchase would only go through if XJT stripped those clauses from their contract. And, as much as CJT pilots would put up a fight, CAL would force them to drop the fight or they'll drop their flying, or take away their planes. It's shady, but CAL is not happy at the cost of XJT.
#14
CAL, cannot under any circumstances afford to pull the plug on the CPA with XJT, as it happened in the past with United and ACA. There simply aren’t enough resources to cover the flying. Leaves two choices then, skywest negotiates with us (the pilots, the ones holding the only negotiable chip), or no sale. Either way, CAL will never let it escalate to a garage sale.
You're really giving slapphappy and experimental competition for the sought after “skywest cheerleader of the year" award.
Last edited by Bond; 05-06-2008 at 02:07 PM.
#16
#18
No one seems to want to address the obvious, if the sale does not materialize on the hypothetical account of a big NO vote from the XJT pilots, the worse that will happen is that CAL will follow through with their threat and pull 51 frames starting 1 and 1/2 year from now, the rest gradually from 2010-2012. CAL is not the only Airline out there, and we still have 70 options (but that's just speculating).
The issue here, is a lot of you are operating under this illusion that CAL can just pull the plug anytime (contractually they can) and just park the airplanes as a more suitable replacement comes in to do it for cheaper. Even if you guys got the frames overnight, where would you get at least 2000 pilots to operate a minimum of 206 frames? You'd be lucky to get 1000 from XJT; most of us would rather go down with ship to stick it to CAL if it ever came to that, is the least we could do for good ol jeff
As I've stated before, it will never come to that, the management at skywest is looking for long term, and they'll negotiate, they don't have a choice.
The issue here, is a lot of you are operating under this illusion that CAL can just pull the plug anytime (contractually they can) and just park the airplanes as a more suitable replacement comes in to do it for cheaper. Even if you guys got the frames overnight, where would you get at least 2000 pilots to operate a minimum of 206 frames? You'd be lucky to get 1000 from XJT; most of us would rather go down with ship to stick it to CAL if it ever came to that, is the least we could do for good ol jeff
As I've stated before, it will never come to that, the management at skywest is looking for long term, and they'll negotiate, they don't have a choice.
#19
I wouldn't be so sure on that, they will get the Cal flying with or without XJt and seeing as how you lost ANOTHER 30 million I don't think you will survive to see the end of the Cal contract.
Xjt is in no position to negotiate, new info came out today that shows Skywest isn't going to keep this offer on the table forever and has a backup place.
I wouldn't count on getting much more flying for your surplus 50 seaters either Mesa is back cash positive and will probably outlast xjt. I'm sure we
will find out more tomorrow.
Xjt is in no position to negotiate, new info came out today that shows Skywest isn't going to keep this offer on the table forever and has a backup place.
I wouldn't count on getting much more flying for your surplus 50 seaters either Mesa is back cash positive and will probably outlast xjt. I'm sure we
will find out more tomorrow.
#20
I wouldn't be so sure on that, they will get the Cal flying with or without XJt and seeing as how you lost ANOTHER 30 million I don't think you will survive to see the end of the Cal contract.
Xjt is in no position to negotiate, new info came out today that shows Skywest isn't going to keep this offer on the table forever and has a backup place.
I wouldn't count on getting much more flying for your surplus 50 seaters either Mesa is back cash positive and will probably outlast xjt. I'm sure we
will find out more tomorrow.
Xjt is in no position to negotiate, new info came out today that shows Skywest isn't going to keep this offer on the table forever and has a backup place.
I wouldn't count on getting much more flying for your surplus 50 seaters either Mesa is back cash positive and will probably outlast xjt. I'm sure we
will find out more tomorrow.
I suppose you forgot that little thing called scope clause over at CAL, that kinda kills your surplus theory.
I love the with or without you part...really, good luck sending a crj200 to BJX, MEX, SLP, VER, ACA, OAX, YYZ, just to name a few, which incidentally are CAL's most profitable routes on the rj. I suppose the mighty Bro will fill in the gaps....LOL.
31 million loss....wow, check our cash sheet lately? How much did UA, US, B6, CAL, AA, NWA, DAL, loss this time around?
While XJT management may or may not be in a position to negotiate, the pilot group certainly is. It almost brings me pleasure to see how much it hurts some folks here that a pilot group and it's union are the one thing that could or could not make this happen, it's too much fun to see how angry you guys get at the thought of our scope.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post




