Slaphappy

Who said anything about the crj200?

You may end up with a big shocker at the end of this year. I doubt anyone at skywest would be mad if the deal doesn't happen, especially considering that Skywest has been awarded the flying regardless.

Bond

Oh I can't hardly wait to hear this! Could you please state where in writing has CAL assigned flying to skywest. Attention! Attention everyone! Slap is about to post new information about new flying.

Slaphappy

Nothing that hasn't been said already.

Roper92

wow slap. It really looks like you want XJT to fall. Do you have some sort of problem with airlines that treat their employees like human beings? you're probably one of those people who are counting on Southwest fuel hedging to run out to level the playing field. You should be routing for these airlines. They've raised the bar. Drop the negativity and hope for the best at XJT. Remember, you're just a regional pilot. Quit acting high and mighty because you're company is trying to buy someone else. You have nothing to do with this. It's your bosses. It's your management. Your job is to fly the dang plane.

Bond

No you said the flying had been already awarded to skywest.

Show the rest of the class where we can get a copy of the new CPA between skywest and Continental Airlines.

rickair7777

It's not "you guys" it's a tiny a handful of jack*****, the same idiots you will find at any airline (or anywhere else for that matter).

But don't kid yourself...the eventual outcome of this has little to do with unions or scope. Scope gives the XJT group the opportunity to apply some control inputs...it's not likely to change the end result.

If XJT management doesn't get over it's stubborn streak it looks like they will be out of a job, and this isn't a good time for a 50-seat company to be out looking for work.

CAL scope is certainly a factor, but that can resolved in several ways:
1) Get relief from the CAL pilot group.
2) Start a NEW certificate (yes, this has been done before).
3) Buy an existing certificate which has ERJ's on it. I heard ornstien has one of those, and he needs cash badly...and it's already staffed with desperate young pilots who have proven they will do anything to fly an airplane.

The XJTers are still in a position to make a good deal, I think you can keep what you have. But don't reject SKW out of hand and then expect alpa to save your regional butts...not going to happen (I've tried it, it doesn't work).

Slaphappy

I'm just trying to tell you what the probable outcome is and many of you are just to much into the koolaid to listen. Some of you are under the impression that you are in full control of the situation and that xjt will end getting what it wants when you know thats not going to happen.

Bond

Seriously brother, you got issues. You still haven't answer the question. Where is this illusive CPA which "already awarded the flying to skywest" as you put it.

Bond

Rick,

As with any complex equation, there are variables, however, at the moment they are in our favor, and as much as I support ALPA, I don't expect them to save the day. It is entirely up to us the pilots, and if it comes down to it, most of us will bet farm and either win big or lose big, but I won't sell the farm for pennies.

As far as scope at CAL, now that they're staying independent, I can assure you, it will stick, but don't take my word for it, ask the CAL guys.

The frames that Orstein has won't barely cover, but half of the flying in the immidiate future (51 frames as per the letter.)

I appreciate your honest and intellectual approach to the situation, and I've always respected your opinion. Unlike some of your co-workers, I hope his real talent is flying.

Jetlinker

Dude, do you have any idea how much of a jackass you sound like? Don't go around saying that flying has been awarded when you don't know sh!t. You make the rest of your pilot group look bad as well. You are purely speculating in that pea brain of yours that CAL is going to give up it's scope, XJT will lose all it's flying, and SkyWest has already been awarded a contract to fly 70/90 seat aircraft...........and this is based on? Grow up, this is the problem with airlines hiring 20 yr old, 500 hr wunderkinds.