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Old 05-08-2008 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by freefall
This is great! I love when people fight about BS.

Who knows what the hell is going to happen. I just hope it doesn't send a bunch of people out looking for a new job.

Owned by Airways doesn't necessarily help...If they want to cut overhead....bye bye.
They might need the tax write-offs from paying AWAC more than having you operate a little cheaper.

AWAC's contract is not unbreakable....Every contract can be broken.

If anyone has any inside info, we would love to hear it.

Good luck everyone.


I agree. But on the other hand you are not considered overhead if you are making money. But who knows.. Let the my airline is better than your airline peter fight begin!
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Old 05-08-2008 | 05:32 PM
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just looking through this thread makes me queasy at how at home regionals are when it comes to whipsawing.
looks to me like RAH and SKTW see it as a threat and they are positioning their companies to contol the number of bidders.
these groups are going to have to have a single seniorty list via a peitition to the NMB.
Better yet, a National Seniority List on the regional level or prepare to be compromised.
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Old 05-08-2008 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Airwaves
SE taxi in the CRJ is a joke, and a non-issue. AWAC doesn't let you do it because you clowns would probably take the runway with just one turning and be like, ohhhh crap.

Right cuz I remember a memo came out when we did single engine taxi, that it was no longer allowed because pilots were apparently forgetting that we had 2 thrust levers.

Grow up......you've got no grounds for accusing us for anything...joking or not...its uncalled for
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Old 05-08-2008 | 05:43 PM
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They canceled 2 upgrade classes. That's it. And of course there won't be any upgrades for a little while but most other regionals won't be upgrading a ton of pilots in the near future anyways. If AWAC's upgrade is already around 3 years, I can't see it being any faster than PSA's. You can pay your F/O's all you want but I'll be the one making 60+ and building PIC as a captain in 3 years (just an example) and you're making 35 as a F/O and logging the oh-so-important SIC. 60 > 35
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Old 05-08-2008 | 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Airwaves
We're all in this together, and it gets old seeing PSA douchebags saying

"OMG we are more important than AWAC because we are "wholly owned." Oh, and F* PDT too, they fly little props!"

Just shut up, listen up, and hopefully you won't be out of a job when all the dust settles.
Everybody's $he-hit stinks. AWAC folks love their employer they made this site, http://www.doihaveafuturehere.org/. This makes me think it's not so great. PSA, PDT, SkyWest, Pinnacle -- pick one -- they all have problems. Who give a flying flip how bad it is at an airline where s/he doesn't work? If you don't like the the place you work, move on.

"Wholly owned" is not synonymous "safe." One of the regionals that has recently passed into the history books, Skyway, was a wholly owned. Paying lease fines can be cheaper than paying $4-5/gal for JetA. Also, T-props rule and will spank an rj on DOC in a 2-300nm (ie true REGIONAL) leg.

Why are they (PDT/PSA) cheaper? Airways can cx a flight and not have to pay. They operate without a profit margin factored in. They are an expense that provides a means to selling more tickets by bring more pax through the system.

Wasn't there a rumor that TK told the execs they might have 18 months to find a new job if the merger closes?

Originally Posted by Kenny
Trust me, if UAL/US comes to be, then it'll be a bloodbath the likes of which none of us have ever seen.

There is no way if they merge the USAir name would be kept. They simply don't have the same brand recognition overseas. And if UAL mgmt stays in control, you can kiss good bye to any wholy-owned regionals. Anyone thinking that a merger would be a good thing for PDT/PSA is smoking crack....
I though I read something in an AP/Reuters/thestreet.com report that United would be the "surviving carrier" in an AirTran/ValueJet way, ie surviving in name only. Could be totally wrong, but UAL did report over a $500M loss last quarter.

Originally Posted by DMEarc
Wholly owned's better watch out, if UAL/Airways merge, I have a feeling you'll be gone.

If you fly a 50 seat RJ...watch out. Nobody is "untouchable."

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Old 05-08-2008 | 05:49 PM
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Riigggghhhhhttttt, have another duddddeeeeee. Ok, we don't single engine taxi, our MX feels it's pointless. We have pretty good work rules, of course they could be better, but lets face it, we are all underpaid. But I still want to say there is no need for a PSA d-bag to call an AWAC a**-hat a d-bag. Being wholly owned can simply mean that airways says, sorry guys ya'll are costing too much, good bye and put your flying up for bid. On the flip, we cost alot and now that airways and yo-united is sleeping with each other now, we all know how much of a hard-on they have for AWAC. We can be the next to go, let's just all go with the flow. Ohh and as far as making more money then me, umm if you add up the years that I'm make more as an FO which sucks, then the move to captain with our trip and duty rigs, yeah booiii I'm out ahead. But in this case it's like being the tallest on the short bus, not cool.
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Old 05-08-2008 | 06:17 PM
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Arguing about pay is just pointless because we all get underpaid (but of course does anyone complain about getting overpaid at any position). I never have been involved in name-calling. I can't vouch for all of my fellow employees or employees of other airlines but I like to stay clear of that.
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Old 05-08-2008 | 06:26 PM
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Aviatormar - you are right...MX doesn't care one bit about single-engine taxi...no matter when you spin it, it is still only ONE cycle. The ones who really DO care are the folks at Airways footing your fuel bill...that is a boat-load of cash you're burning each and every day!
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Old 05-08-2008 | 06:31 PM
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Alright, well if you want some facts then let me point this out. GE went around to different airlines to try to get them to fly and operate the engines how AWAC does. We literally have engines that are original to the frames they are attached to. One thing that helps them is not single engine taxing, it cokes up the blades and doesn't do anything but hurt the engines, but I'm crazy, so who cares? But then again, I only wear 3 strips, and we all know what that stands for not-my-problem..... I'm messing around, I do care, my job is literally on the line with these fuel prices.

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Old 05-08-2008 | 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by dwightkschrute
They canceled 2 upgrade classes. That's it. And of course there won't be any upgrades for a little while but most other regionals won't be upgrading a ton of pilots in the near future anyways. If AWAC's upgrade is already around 3 years, I can't see it being any faster than PSA's. You can pay your F/O's all you want but I'll be the one making 60+ and building PIC as a captain in 3 years (just an example) and you're making 35 as a F/O and logging the oh-so-important SIC. 60 > 35
Are you serious?!?! FYI In the airline industry the current trend means NOTHING!!!! The only thing you an count on is your upgrade time WON'T be as expected.

Thanks for your opinion though......
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