Skywest and ASA guys a serious question
05-18-2008 | 10:17 PM
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ASA and Comair tried that merger and it didn't work. What makes you think Skywest pilots want to add ATL to their base list? Management doesn't want a merger either.
I guess IAH is a better option for SkyWest management. It is CAL's flying after all.
There is not much pilots can do about it either way. The wheel is already in motion. SAD but true.
I guess IAH is a better option for SkyWest management. It is CAL's flying after all.
There is not much pilots can do about it either way. The wheel is already in motion. SAD but true.
05-18-2008 | 10:52 PM
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05-19-2008 | 08:50 AM
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SkyW guys would gain no bases, and I suspect our QOL would suffer. Sorry but SkyWest pilots stand to lose more than they gain from a merger with either ASA or XJT. We don't want either.
05-19-2008 | 08:59 AM
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Neither do we, but if management wants us that bad, you may not have a choice, not like you have a union protecting you
05-19-2008 | 09:15 AM
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Reel, Its easy to make that comment but would you like to tell us all how? Try to be specific thats what this thread was started for. If you have valid points then Tony W and the boys need to hear about those concerns and voice them to ASA and XJT.
05-19-2008 | 09:45 AM
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Is that because you think you will buy us and get our planes and flying without having to take our pilots and get a quick upgrade. If it is I hope you really don't think that will happen.
05-19-2008 | 01:49 PM
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Anything is possible I guess concerning this deal but I just can't see SKW after the lengths they have gone to keep our pilot group union free accept any agreement that would jeopardize that. However if SKW does go this route, your right SAAB, SKW pilots get no say in it. In the end, and I know most think were nutty koolaid drinkers but the general consensus at SKW is we have a great management group who has our best interest in mind. I know...crazy..LOL
Cheers!
05-19-2008 | 01:58 PM
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The McCaskill bill prevents this sort of behavior going forward...it requires by law that acquired or merged pilot groups get integrated fairly (using a seniority formula). I think that if both groups are the same union, then internal union rules prevail, otherwise a certain formula is required (Alleghany-Mohawk).
The significange to this is that non-union SKW cannot be stapled by alpa, even if SKW management decided to allow that for some reason. It would also protect ASA/XJT from being stapled by SKW. The law clearly applies in the event of actual merger. I'm not sure how it applies to a holding company which operates multiple certificates...it may not protect against moving airplanes around. The courts would probably have to decide that.
The significange to this is that non-union SKW cannot be stapled by alpa, even if SKW management decided to allow that for some reason. It would also protect ASA/XJT from being stapled by SKW. The law clearly applies in the event of actual merger. I'm not sure how it applies to a holding company which operates multiple certificates...it may not protect against moving airplanes around. The courts would probably have to decide that.
Also, don't confuse the acquisition or purchase of the companies with the merger of seniority lists. The XJT Holding Letter doesn't make a distinction of how the transaction was consummated. Only that the successor company (regardless of how it became the successor) is required to integrate seniority lists.
Well we better start getting our heads around working a solution soon...the finance blogs (I know take it with a grain of salt) is saying the deal is done and hands have been shaken and the deal will be announced tomorrow. They've, the folks with the money (ie not pilots), decided to go with this without dealing withe the pilot group...will save that fight for a date to be determined. Once again take it with a grain of salt. I don't believe things until they actually happen. Old horse..Old tricks
Expensive? Didn't Skyw just two weeks ago offer to buy XJT BEHIND the pilots back? They went to Ream, and if ream accepted the offer, they would be talking to you afterwards. Or they have a legal way around it.
They didn't consult you before they offered 3.50 a share! So obviously, they dont belive they need your blessing. So the rumor might be true of a deal struck this weekend.
They didn't consult you before they offered 3.50 a share! So obviously, they dont belive they need your blessing. So the rumor might be true of a deal struck this weekend.
I welcome them doing it without the pilots consent. That just means that they will have to integrate seniority lists. And if they think they don't have to merge seniority lists, the fact that it was in the public letter and the fact that the CEO and CFO met and has corresponded with the XJT MEC in trying to come to an agreement on the Holding Letter, will not be easy to explain why all of a sudden they don't think it applies anymore.
ignore the drunken Blah, Blah, Blah of my post. Just remember,
"The majority of OO pilots don't want your routes, planes or problems. Keep them for yourself."
timmy keep your head high and proud while flying ASA's LAX routes. Taking away their pilots livelihood from the west coast and still wanting more.
Don't waste my time with your pm's.
"The majority of OO pilots don't want your routes, planes or problems. Keep them for yourself."
timmy keep your head high and proud while flying ASA's LAX routes. Taking away their pilots livelihood from the west coast and still wanting more.
Don't waste my time with your pm's.
As for the ASA LAX flying, I believe that ASA did NOT lose ANY aircraft in that deal.
ASA and Comair tried that merger and it didn't work. What makes you think Skywest pilots want to add ATL to their base list? Management doesn't want a merger either.
I guess IAH is a better option for SkyWest management. It is CAL's flying after all.
There is not much pilots can do about it either way. The wheel is already in motion. SAD but true.
I guess IAH is a better option for SkyWest management. It is CAL's flying after all.
There is not much pilots can do about it either way. The wheel is already in motion. SAD but true.
SKW would gain FIVE new bases with a seniority list integration. More bases equates to higher QOL.
05-19-2008 | 02:01 PM
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You make a good point concerning union protection. In the end it will be interesting to see if XJT's union protection benefits the pilot group as a whole the way it is supposed to. I truly hope it does work out in the benefit of the majority for you guys at XJT.
Anything is possible I guess concerning this deal but I just can't see SKW after the lengths they have gone to keep our pilot group union free accept any agreement that would jeopardize that. However if SKW does go this route, your right SAAB, SKW pilots get no say in it. In the end, and I know most think were nutty koolaid drinkers but the general consensus at SKW is we have a great management group who has our best interest in mind. I know...crazy..LOL
Cheers!
Anything is possible I guess concerning this deal but I just can't see SKW after the lengths they have gone to keep our pilot group union free accept any agreement that would jeopardize that. However if SKW does go this route, your right SAAB, SKW pilots get no say in it. In the end, and I know most think were nutty koolaid drinkers but the general consensus at SKW is we have a great management group who has our best interest in mind. I know...crazy..LOL
Cheers!
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