Skywest and ASA guys a serious question
05-17-2008 | 10:29 AM
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Slaphappy,
Is this what want people close to you see? Is this what you envisioned yourself saying when you graduated from college? This is a profession and we are all professionals. Do you think Judges, doctors, or preachers speak to each other this way. Is this the way you want your children see you? Come on lets stay focused on the problem and the solutions.
Is this what want people close to you see? Is this what you envisioned yourself saying when you graduated from college? This is a profession and we are all professionals. Do you think Judges, doctors, or preachers speak to each other this way. Is this the way you want your children see you? Come on lets stay focused on the problem and the solutions.
05-17-2008 | 10:32 AM
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To clarify...you don't have a right to good career expectations at this time, at the expense of other pilots. You have a right to the CAL flying as far as I'm concerned. But I don't think you have a right to displace a single ASA or SKW pilot (even one hired last week) if the branded flying goes away. That's the crux of the issue...any furloughs due to branded should happen before any integration. I think 99.9% of the SKW pilots will hold the line on that. Maybe your alpa brothers at ASA will willingly throw some of their young under the bus and help you out...go to one other their ATL LEC meetings and make a proposal to that effect. 
I do think that the XJT should not trade away the branded without guaranteed recall rights (with longevity) into XJT, SKW, or ASA whichever has openings first.
I do think that the XJT should not trade away the branded without guaranteed recall rights (with longevity) into XJT, SKW, or ASA whichever has openings first.
And SKW pilots don't have the right to great career expectations at the expense of our pilots. XJT would furlough pilots from its own list then SKW gets the benefits of hiring and upgrades from the "new" frames? Doesn't sound like a fair deal to me.
Look, XJT pilots don't want to be "rescued" by SKW. SKW is the one who butted into our business, and undercut our contract with CAL at our expense. Want XJT bad enough? SKW has to sacrifice something too.
Look, XJT pilots don't want to be "rescued" by SKW. SKW is the one who butted into our business, and undercut our contract with CAL at our expense. Want XJT bad enough? SKW has to sacrifice something too.
05-17-2008 | 10:33 AM
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Ya know...I was at the layover the other night with a DAL crew along with a NWA crew. A couple hours into it and a couple of beers later...all 4 of them had agreed on a way to merge the seniority lists. Lets try that as opposed name calling and this puffed out chest BS.
PS The only downside is that nobody remembered what agreement was in the morning...but they did come to an agreement....
PS The only downside is that nobody remembered what agreement was in the morning...but they did come to an agreement....
05-17-2008 | 10:34 AM
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.Ya know...I was at the layover the other night with a DAL crew along with a NWA crew. A couple hours into it and a couple of beers later...all 4 of them had agreed on a way to merge the seniority lists. Lets try that as opposed name calling and this puffed out chest BS.
PS The only downside is that nobody remembered what agreement was in the morning...but they did come to an agreement....
PS The only downside is that nobody remembered what agreement was in the morning...but they did come to an agreement....
Hey Rick, where's your next layover, I think we're on to something. Just make sure you bring a tape recorder so we don't forget the next day
05-17-2008 | 11:14 AM
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I was one of those hired after the Branded announcement, and with all due respect (I do think you're a good poster overall), you don't have the right to tell me that I don't have a right to great career expectations. Yes it was a risk coming to XJT, but hindsight is always 20/20. I'm a pilot here now, on the XJT seniority list, with every single bit of rights that come along with that. Our contract says that seniority lists will be merged (though I agree with fences and the idea that cross-certificate bidding should be eliminated or limited), and that includes all of us hired post-Branded.
There are many pilots at SKW who could have applied at XJT, but avoided it because they didn't believe the branded flying made sense. They shouldn't be sucked into the mess that they tried to avoid in order to save someone who had the blinders on and went to XJT knowing that CAL was pulling 69 aircraft.
05-17-2008 | 11:18 AM
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As you said, those who came to XJT after the announcement of CAL reductions and the branded operation knew the risk. But now you don't think they should pay the price for that risk not working out. Instead you feel that other pilots should pay for your mistake.
There are many pilots at SKW who could have applied at XJT, but avoided it because they didn't believe the branded flying made sense. They shouldn't be sucked into the mess that they tried to avoid in order to save someone who had the blinders on and went to XJT knowing that CAL was pulling 69 aircraft.
There are many pilots at SKW who could have applied at XJT, but avoided it because they didn't believe the branded flying made sense. They shouldn't be sucked into the mess that they tried to avoid in order to save someone who had the blinders on and went to XJT knowing that CAL was pulling 69 aircraft.
05-17-2008 | 11:21 AM
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P.S. I agree that if those aircraft from branded continue to be flown by SKW Inc., the XJT pilots should get first right to them.
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05-17-2008 | 11:23 AM
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05-17-2008 | 12:25 PM
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I don't want to have anything to do with XJT, I don't want to "rescue" you, and I certainly don't want to sacrifice anything for the "privelege" of acquiring XJT. Every SKW pilot that I know of doesn't want another merger.
All these discussions are assuming that managemers at CAL, XJT, SKW, and XJT alpa will come to an agreement...then what?
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