Shootinstr8

Hey Saab, Check your PMs

Dash8Pilot

I think I could end up voting for a proposal like you have outlined. I'd have to compare the two seniority lists to see whether DOH is good enough, or if relative seniority makes more sense, but I think the other provisions are a great jumping off place for merging the lists.

ChinsFive

Lets just do DOH, no fences, everyone looses their seat, then we'll have a huge free for all bid...

That would be way more fun.

Shootinstr8

I don't think DOH has ever been fair or equitable by itself. DOH is great as far as pay goes and should be the standard. No pilot should expect to better or worse off after any A & M action. It breeds resentment and dissension in the troops and reduces productivity.

mking84

This is an interesting issue, because this might be something worth considering. Change never comes without sacrifice, but, this might just be the change that we need.

One seniority list with the three companies will allow SKYW (SKYW, ASA, XJT) pilots to move around the company at their leisure. Opening up many new bases, different aircraft and so on. All while maintaining a uniform QOL, pay, and so on. Would be really nice...now that is in a perfect world.

I think XJT pilots want to be XJT pilots, doing our thing. We dont want SKYW bases or airplanes, we want ours. But with this acquisition, as it seems just a matter of time now, we could make real change in how pilots work and advance their careers.

I know alot of guys get defensive with this kind of stuff.....but most of the time things work out. Merging the seniority lists, with mechanisms in place to protect a pilots base sen etc, would not be a bad thing in my opinion. It could be done with or without ALPA.

But there is something very interesting here, and I know SKYW has NOT done this on purpose. But by having now a third separate pilot group, it makes a Whipsaw seem much much much more possible. I dont think alot of XJT guys are going to sign off on that.

Shootinstr8

you are correct sir. That is why we need to use all of the available now to craft this to a fashion that benefits all in the pilot group and not allow mgmt to whipsaw us against each other

TonyWilliams

I'm too lazy (and actually going on a short weekend vacation) to respond to all the finer points. But, I'm going to be in DEN on Mon and Tue at our monthly SAPA meeting.

Anybody from any of the MEC's want to talk, I'll be available on Mon from about 11am to 1pm MDT, then after 5pm MDT for the rest of the day.

Also, on Tues between 1pm MDT to 2:30pm MDT, then after 5pm PDT.

Here's the email: anthonywilliams (then use the numbers one, two, three) at gmail daught commmmmm.

phone: 858 - two45 - 8two17

Senior Skipper

Great way to avoid the net phishers Tony! I've got to try it some day! You post your phone number though?

EPIC FSR

Skywest has millions in the bank. INc. is making money. Why would their pilots want to go and flush all that down the drain to try and cater to xjt pilots.? Most pilots want movement not DOH with a company bleeding money all over the country. What are you bringing to the table besides debt and a lot of pilots who want a handout. Sounds like a liberal democrat wish list.
I don't go to your church and I am not related to you. YOUR not my brother. Collective group pilot or not. Don't include OO pilots in YOUR wish list.
Comair never lined up and merged with ASA. You chose the company you fly for not me or anyone else. Don't try and ride the Skywest coat tails of success and think you should deserve anything close to DOH. To think any xjt pilot should even be able to bid into one of Skywest pilots bases is absurd. Again, If you chose xjt you chose IAH, EWR, and Cleveland. Your not entitled to bid on SBA or PDX or any other base.
The Cash that OO Inc. made and will make is profit from OO inc. management and current workers.

If you are bought, then plan on staying in IAH, EWR and cleveland. Don't expect any merger of seniority, You don't deserve one. If you want to battle with ASA for an ATL base and seniority there then knock yourself out.

The majority of OO pilots don't want your routes, planes or problems. Keep them for yourself.

Shootinstr8

Wow...where do I begin? Its not the SKYW pilots buying anything its JA and the SKYW BOD. No one is asking to be catered to, but it would seem a bit unfair to have SKYW pilots flying for CAL and booting 800 pilots to the street and offered an interview to start all over. What do we bring to the table? We the pilots of XJT did not ask JA and the SKYW BOD to go to CAL and work out a new CPA that effectively cuts 1/4 of our pilots and abrogates our CBA. While our company does have some serious financial issues to overcome, this entire industry is in the same boat as fuel cost rise, we were content to work through on our own. No handouts asked for here. You say that you go to church...huuumm I thought the bible implored us all to be our brothers keeper? I kind of live by a simple rule..treat others as you would want to be treated and this has served me well over the many years. This buyout is beyond any of control, but we can if it happens work with civility and respect for our coworkers. There will always be disagreements and that is why I think it is in everyones best interest to at least talk. To the majority of pilots at SKYW that don't want our planes, routes and problems, on that we are in agreement. We too would like to keep them ourselves. Not busting on you...just trying to provide for my wife and kids.