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JetJock16 05-20-2008 01:53 PM


Originally Posted by paxhauler85 (Post 386692)
1200 lbs/hr? CA/FO/FA make $39/$19/$15 and hour respectively?

Name another bird with that little overhead cost, for 37 seats.

Eeeeek! That’s bad but remember that being efficient doesn’t always fall to the a/c that burns the least amount of fuel or pays the least for its FLT crew.

Now if you’re talking about only moving 37 PAX then yes the CRJ/ERJ/737/A320 and all others are not as efficient as the Q. Can you imagine how inefficient a 747 would be with only 37 PAX on board going between DEN and DUR?

Now let’s think about moving 30 or 130 or 230 PAX and how much of a premium or not are those PAX willing to pay? Many other factors must be included; do you see what I’m getting at?

flyboyzz1 05-20-2008 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by HercDriver130 (Post 387259)
This says nothing about CRJ's..... and even if it did, in the 70 seat arena UAL seems equally happy with both the -700 and the -170 product..... again, we shall see....... S5 already has 10 E170's slated to be added to our UAL operation by the end of the year or so.... i guess we will all have to sit back and see what happens.

Opps I'm blind

JetJock16 05-20-2008 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by HercDriver130 (Post 387259)
This says nothing about CRJ's..... and even if it did, in the 70 seat arena UAL seems equally happy with both the -700 and the -170 product..... again, we shall see....... S5 already has 10 E170's slated to be added to our UAL operation by the end of the year or so.... i guess we will all have to sit back and see what happens.

Yes and SKW has 18 CR7's, which are scheduled for delivery, to be placed into UAL service.

OlyRob 05-20-2008 02:57 PM


Originally Posted by flyboyzz1 (Post 387233)
again read the RFP CCCCCCCCCCRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJs... ..maybe they don't care if the kids in the back are a tad bit more comfy...maybe they want to save on petro

RAH has proven to at least UAL and DAL that they are able to operate the 170 as economically as the -700.

IADBLRJ41 05-20-2008 03:02 PM

Isn't this RFP only if Mesa goes under or cannot keep the UAL flying going? Any Mesa pilots have any feelings on this?

flyboyzz1 05-20-2008 05:05 PM


Originally Posted by OlyRob (Post 387340)
RAH has proven to at least UAL and DAL that they are able to operate the 170 as economically as the -700.

I'd like to see that in writing to believe it...

HercDriver130 05-20-2008 07:03 PM

While I know you would love to believe it ALL about fuel burn its not. Personally I dont mind dh'ing on the -700.

I think UAL likes both of these platforms and will continue to use them. The seating is a bit better in the 170 ..... other than that I would call it a wash. But what do I know I just fly them.

Again...just have to see what happens and the chips fall were they may.

JetJock16 05-20-2008 07:18 PM


Originally Posted by HercDriver130 (Post 387459)
While I know you would love to believe it ALL about fuel burn its not. Personally I dont mind dh'ing on the -700.

I think UAL likes both of these platforms and will continue to use them. The seating is a bit better in the 170 ..... other than that I would call it a wash. But what do I know I just fly them.

Again...just have to see what happens and the chips fall were they may.

These days it's more of a factor than you think. The CR7 burn less lbs per hour than the E-series. I do agree that the E-series is larger but that benefit also adds to its decrease in fuel efficiency (as compared to the CR7/9's). Let’s say the CR7 burns 200 pounds per hour less than the E-170, these #'s are not exact and I actually believe it's more but for numbers sake......................that 200 lbs per hour will equate to MILLIONS either lost or gained by your partners seeing these are flow through cost.

But what do I know, I just fly them. :rolleyes:

HercDriver130 05-20-2008 07:29 PM

And yet UAL still wants more of them....more of BOTH of them...... but what do we know.

JetJock16 05-20-2008 07:36 PM


Originally Posted by HercDriver130 (Post 387468)
And yet UAL still wants more of them....more of BOTH of them...... but what do we know.

Hey, they're better than the CR2!

But what do we know and for that matter, what do they know? It’s not like they’re making perfect decisions. UAL seems to be more “reactive” while DAL's more “proactive.” We’ll see which style pays off in the future but my money’s on DAL.


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