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02-25-2006 | 02:44 PM
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From: UPS 757/767 Capt ONT
"Is having a captain with 100 hours on type dangerous, especially when he has a 300-hour pilot sitting right seat"
A low time in type Capt (say 1900 to RJ) with a brand new MAPDer is a scary thought. I'm sure it happens every day. The FAA could care less until there is a crash or incident. That's no reason for me to think we shouldn't be setting our standards higher when it comes to experience levels to be 121 jet airline cockpit crew. Especially, when you consider how JO treats his pilots. I once heard a story of a stand up overnight in SBA where they slept on the plane for five hours cause the company is too cheap to get hotels. Does that still happen? Talk about a setup for fatigue.
A low time in type Capt (say 1900 to RJ) with a brand new MAPDer is a scary thought. I'm sure it happens every day. The FAA could care less until there is a crash or incident. That's no reason for me to think we shouldn't be setting our standards higher when it comes to experience levels to be 121 jet airline cockpit crew. Especially, when you consider how JO treats his pilots. I once heard a story of a stand up overnight in SBA where they slept on the plane for five hours cause the company is too cheap to get hotels. Does that still happen? Talk about a setup for fatigue.
02-25-2006 | 03:27 PM
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From: ERJ-145 FO
It sounds a bit scary to me as well. But I assume Mesa isn't in violation of any FARs. And if they're not, shouldn't the beef be with the government- assuming Mesa's safety record is up to par?
I don't know about the hotel thing. Sounds bogus to me... you know how the rumor mill is.
I don't know about the hotel thing. Sounds bogus to me... you know how the rumor mill is.
02-25-2006 | 07:54 PM
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From: UPS 757/767 Capt ONT
"Sounds bogus to me... you know how the rumor mill is"
Ahh....I didn't mean for it to sound like a rumor. Story was directly told to me by my friend who was a checkairman on the RJ at Mesa. Then I recommended him at UPS and now he's been a DC8 F/E for about a year.
It was one of those midnight outbounds out of LAS to SBA, CDO, no hotel, and the first flight out of SBA the next day. It was the no hotel part that I didn't get.
Ahh....I didn't mean for it to sound like a rumor. Story was directly told to me by my friend who was a checkairman on the RJ at Mesa. Then I recommended him at UPS and now he's been a DC8 F/E for about a year.
It was one of those midnight outbounds out of LAS to SBA, CDO, no hotel, and the first flight out of SBA the next day. It was the no hotel part that I didn't get.
02-25-2006 | 08:20 PM
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
Mesa has numerous schedules which involve "no rest" overnight flying. You usually start at 1800-1900, fly around the west, end up in vegas, then depart at 2359 to some small/medium town, arrive at 0230-0330, sleep on the airplane, depart around 0600-0700.
If the layover is greater than 4 hours, they have to get you a hotel, so they seem to program many of these to be 3:52 minutes. Of course the APU stays on to keep the plane warm, and I suspect that the cost of running the it is more than what a hotel would cost anyway. Many crewmembers have "standup kits" of pillows, blankets, and boards to lay across the aisle.
No myth, rumor, or joke. 100% accurate.
If the layover is greater than 4 hours, they have to get you a hotel, so they seem to program many of these to be 3:52 minutes. Of course the APU stays on to keep the plane warm, and I suspect that the cost of running the it is more than what a hotel would cost anyway. Many crewmembers have "standup kits" of pillows, blankets, and boards to lay across the aisle.
No myth, rumor, or joke. 100% accurate.
02-26-2006 | 04:56 AM
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From: 7ER B...whatever that means.
Originally Posted by rickair7777
Mesa has numerous schedules which involve "no rest" overnight flying. You usually start at 1800-1900, fly around the west, end up in vegas, then depart at 2359 to some small/medium town, arrive at 0230-0330, sleep on the airplane, depart around 0600-0700.
If the layover is greater than 4 hours, they have to get you a hotel, so they seem to program many of these to be 3:52 minutes. Of course the APU stays on to keep the plane warm, and I suspect that the cost of running the it is more than what a hotel would cost anyway. Many crewmembers have "standup kits" of pillows, blankets, and boards to lay across the aisle.
No myth, rumor, or joke. 100% accurate.
If the layover is greater than 4 hours, they have to get you a hotel, so they seem to program many of these to be 3:52 minutes. Of course the APU stays on to keep the plane warm, and I suspect that the cost of running the it is more than what a hotel would cost anyway. Many crewmembers have "standup kits" of pillows, blankets, and boards to lay across the aisle.
No myth, rumor, or joke. 100% accurate.
02-26-2006 | 05:07 AM
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From: Spartan
Originally Posted by freezingflyboy
Mesa just dropped off my list of airlines to apply to. *crosses his fingers* cooommee on ExpressJet!!!
02-26-2006 | 05:13 AM
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From: 7ER B...whatever that means.
Originally Posted by Slice
Don't worry, you'd be on the east coast as a new guy and the trips aren't like that, yet...
Either way, its still a sh!tty way to treat your employees. I posted a joke airline on another bored called $h!th@le Air and that was one of my gimmicks for a profitable airline (along with trained monkeys for FAs and vending machines instead of lavs ) Kind of scary that JO and I think along the same lines....I need a shower.
02-26-2006 | 07:43 AM
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From: UPS 757/767 Capt ONT
"Of course the APU stays on to keep the plane warm"
Company sent out a memo about APU usage on the 757. $6 per minute is what they said. That's about the same as they pay the flight crew.
Even at $1 per minute for an RJ, it would be cheaper to get three hotels for a four hour sit.
Company sent out a memo about APU usage on the 757. $6 per minute is what they said. That's about the same as they pay the flight crew.
Even at $1 per minute for an RJ, it would be cheaper to get three hotels for a four hour sit.
