Eagle: Latest and not so Greatest
05-25-2008, 08:40 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by Spooledup
Show me one Mainline pilot that wants that.
05-25-2008, 09:29 AM
#22
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rick is spot on..... unity is split at most carriers.... I am not totally convinced that mainline pilots when given certain options wont cave on scope yet again. I think carriers will make great cases to their mainline pilots that RJ operators already have the training programs and aircraft in place to raise scope to the 90 seat level and soon. No need to debate good or bad ...thats been done enough. Personally its just more erosion in this business.
One thing is for sure, the next few years very interesting at the least.
One thing is for sure, the next few years very interesting at the least.
05-26-2008, 05:47 AM
#23
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Yeah and don't forget management's recipe for success:
1. reduce flying
2. threaten/file chapter 11
3. "renegotiate" with labor for concessions
4. pay management bonuses for doing a good job
Bottom line is that if management wants to get around scope they can do it
1. reduce flying
2. threaten/file chapter 11
3. "renegotiate" with labor for concessions
4. pay management bonuses for doing a good job
Bottom line is that if management wants to get around scope they can do it
05-26-2008, 06:45 AM
#24
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Originally Posted by mrmak2
Yeah and don't forget management's recipe for success:
1. reduce flying
2. threaten/file chapter 11
3. "renegotiate" with labor for concessions
4. pay management bonuses for doing a good job
Bottom line is that if management wants to get around scope they can do it
1. reduce flying
2. threaten/file chapter 11
3. "renegotiate" with labor for concessions
4. pay management bonuses for doing a good job
Bottom line is that if management wants to get around scope they can do it
This makes me sick. Saw it in the paper on saturday.
05-26-2008, 06:59 AM
#26
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Originally Posted by coldpilot
http://www.star-telegram.com/business/story/661684.html
This makes me sick. Saw it in the paper on saturday.
This makes me sick. Saw it in the paper on saturday.
05-26-2008, 07:27 AM
#27
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Originally Posted by ERJ135
I think APA would rather put AMR in ch7 then let Eagle fly 170's and rightfully so they should. You let the horse out of the barn before you know its driving the sleigh.
Again JMO.
Again JMO.
05-26-2008, 07:49 AM
#28
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No regional pilot or any pilot for that matter should want SCOPE relaxed. Flying bigger planes at the regionals means nothing more then lower payscales. The more planes that go to mainline, the more mainline jobs there are. Most of the mainline Most of the mainline guys learned their lessons with the last round of scope giveaway and wont let it happen again. Especially with today's fuel prices and potential retirement of aircraft they arent going to give away more jobs. If the Majors were growing and taking big aircraft orders i wouldn't put it past some of the senior guys but not now when everything is jeopardized.
05-26-2008, 08:16 AM
#29
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Originally Posted by Superpilot92
No regional pilot or any pilot for that matter should want SCOPE relaxed. Flying bigger planes at the regionals means nothing more then lower payscales. The more planes that go to mainline, the more mainline jobs there are. Most of the mainline Most of the mainline guys learned their lessons with the last round of scope giveaway and wont let it happen again. Especially with today's fuel prices and potential retirement of aircraft they arent going to give away more jobs. If the Majors were growing and taking big aircraft orders i wouldn't put it past some of the senior guys but not now when everything is jeopardized.
I agree 100% but lower pay is coming one way or another. Scope will be used by management to control pilot groups. Here's a prediction:
Very soon AA will tell APA ok, we either need scope gone or a 30% pay cut and half of your retirement. If APA doesn't wanna play ball then chapter 11 is the backup plan and then they do whatever they want. I see this coming in about the next 4-6 months.
Regionals aren't gonna be able to make money with 50-seat airplanes unless oil does a 180. If the majors wanna keep scope then they will have to pay more for feeder service and thats gonna come out of pilot/labor pay at the major. Am I off base here?
05-26-2008, 10:52 AM
#30
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Originally Posted by Superpilot92
No regional pilot or any pilot for that matter should want SCOPE relaxed. Flying bigger planes at the regionals means nothing more then lower payscales. The more planes that go to mainline, the more mainline jobs there are. Most of the mainline Most of the mainline guys learned their lessons with the last round of scope giveaway and wont let it happen again. Especially with today's fuel prices and potential retirement of aircraft they arent going to give away more jobs. If the Majors were growing and taking big aircraft orders i wouldn't put it past some of the senior guys but not now when everything is jeopardized.
Those of us who do or do not have shiny jet syndrome... When your contracts come up they love to dangle new airplanes (or options) in front of you but guess what we will need some concessions so you can have these newer and bigger jets. And like he said it is just a push for lower pay to fly more people.
Yeah i mean ill admit it its pretty cool to be young like we are and have that airline job and i think we deserve it. But honestly nobody gives a crap that we are airline pilots except us and our moms. So lets not get wrapped up on bigger newer airplanes and get that QOL back. Give em hell!
