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05-26-2008, 11:17 AM

#31

ERJ135

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Position: CR7 Capt

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Superpilot92

No regional pilot or any pilot for that matter should want SCOPE relaxed. Flying bigger planes at the regionals means nothing more then lower payscales. The more planes that go to mainline, the more mainline jobs there are. Most of the mainline Most of the mainline guys learned their lessons with the last round of scope giveaway and wont let it happen again. Especially with today's fuel prices and potential retirement of aircraft they arent going to give away more jobs. If the Majors were growing and taking big aircraft orders i wouldn't put it past some of the senior guys but not now when everything is jeopardized.

AMEN!!! Unfortunately many capts I have flown with would like to be flying 90-100 seaters. Not really sure why but, many are not moving on to a main line career and are getting the urge to fly bigger equipment. Its too bad. PROTECT SCOPE......

05-26-2008, 11:38 AM

#32

Spongebob

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Regionals aren't gonna be able to make money with 50-seat airplanes unless oil does a 180.

Regionals are paid by seats available and reimbursed for fuel. Their profitability is pretty much set with the contract...it's mainline that loses money on the deal and at some point it becomes more economical to pay the fee to break the contract than to continue flying.

If I were running a regional right now, I'd be buying every turboprop on the market so I can say "see how much more efficient I am (as in, lower fuel bill) than your current feeder?"

Spongebob

05-26-2008, 01:13 PM

#33

Nightsky

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I've argued with guys also about scope. Some of them are so bent on getting newer, larger aircraft. Why? The view is the same, it's another training cycle, you will be shorting yourself pay in the bigger jet at a regional vs moving on to mainline. Management loves to hang that 'carrot' out in front of our face, and I've never understood why pilots would even care. It should be laughed off. I sincerely hope you are right Superpilot - that scope is not budged on little bit. To do so lowers this job yet another notch.

05-26-2008, 03:41 PM

#34

Superpilot92

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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot

I'm one of those CA's. No desire to fly on mainline. They gave Scope away Yrs ago. Its them to blame.

Good luck to you then when it does start getting taken back. Do you really think the Majors are going to keep paying for all the seats and FUEL BILLS for the regionals? The major carriers are wasting their profits on the regionals by paying the gas bills. In the past it was cheap enough to do so but not anymore. The next round of contracts for regionals will include charging the regionals for more if not all of the fuel costs. That alone would shut down most regionals.

05-27-2008, 12:09 PM

#35

meeko031

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Just read my HI6 and there was a message from Bowler (eaglewire)regarding the reduce schedules for Tprops in SJU. So does this mean the saabs are not going to be reduced dramatically? displacements?

05-29-2008, 12:03 PM

#36

Pontius Pilot

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Position: CRJ FO

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Quote:

Originally Posted by meeko031

Just read my HI6 and there was a message from Bowler (eaglewire)regarding the reduce schedules for Tprops in SJU. So does this mean the saabs are not going to be reduced dramatically? displacements?

The Saabs are going to be completely eliminated. They are replacing them with the ATR in Dallas and have plans to replace their routes with RJs in LAX. Displacements are a certainty.