They did, however, the pilots could've voted in ALPA or some union for that matter. So you're not completely clean. If you did vote for ALPA, I'll let it slide.

 

As a 9E guy I can only "suggest" that the 9L guys/gals vote in ALPA next go around. Look at the longer term picture. That 2% of your income will help with seniority integration, pay raises, and work rules, especially with the Pinnacle mgmt team that we both must deal with.

 

You have GOT to be kidding me.....when did you get your pilot's license 2008???

on the other hand I hope im missing some form of sarcasm here.....

 

I'm not sure how a legitimate question about the arbitration has turned into a bashing of Colgan pilots.

Nobody here is thrilled with the Q pay scales either. Especially not the FOs, which is why the vast overwhelming majority of the Q FOs, if not ALL of them, are new-hires. If there are any FO transitions to the Q, it would only be because they live in the EWR area and want to be home, and you can't blame them for that. But I don't know of any Saab or Beech FOs that went to the Q.

I can't speak fo the captains that transitioned to the Q, but when someone walks up to you and asks you if you want a raise, would you turn it down?

 

I dont see one bit of Colgan bashing. I see someone who said Pinnacle pilots were screwing Colgan pilots....

 

I'm an EX-Colgan, currently a 737 FO for CAL.

Seeing as though you're an XJT FO, means to me you didn't vote either. You're one of these kids who goes to an RJ-regional, falls into a union job, and then thinks he has the right to lecture non-union pilots.

So stop- you won't let anyone slide. Your opinion means nothing. What you should be doing is educating those pilots on the benefits of ALPA, not saying "Colgan sucks, Pay is bad, Colgan sucks".

I've been around awhile, ExpressJets pre-2000 rates were pitiful, too.

 

coming from the guy who said he was a CAL 757 pilot before he even interviewed i find anything you say suspect. hows that 75 working out for ya?

 

Without going into he-said she-said I will say that PNCL (9E) pilots have no problems with colgan pilots. Our issue is mgmt buying colgan out of left field and setting up the perfect storm for a pilot group battle over more flying. They call this whipsaw. Bringing ALPA on property is a cheap insurance plan for those at Colgan. Say what you want- I don't hide who I am, where I was before PNCL, or anything else. Let's not bash brothers and sisters, just find a solution behind parents (mgmt) that treat us wrong.

 

your words hold no weight to me. if you are a CAL pilot you would be entirely against Colgan replacing XJT at EWR. That flying is CAL's and should only go back to CAL. You forget XJT was part of CAL so it is completely different with the flying going to them.

As for working at Colgan, I have no sympathy for people that go there. I could've gotten a job there long before XJT, but I only wanted to go to respectable operation.

As a supposed CAL pilot you don't come close to sounding like one.

 

Sir- what are you talking about?

I interviewed and was told to expect the 757. When I got my letter, it turned out to be the 737. I didn't have a problem with that. Show me where I had posted that.

Typical for you, innacurate statements.

The only operation that should have any flying is mainline. XJT, Colgan, SkyWest should all go under. But I don't want people to lose their jobs.

My criticism of XJT is based soley on their problems with Colgan guys. What were those guys supposed to do? Lose their jobs? They are working on the union drive. Did ExpressJet's ALPA drive pass the first time? Do you know a lot of what happened in the history of your airline?

The CJC pilots are good guys and none of them are trying to undercut anyone- so give them a break. Hard to have a say in rates when management forces them on you.