Pinnacle Copy of Arbitration
#22
No matter what one thinks about RJ's "stealing" mainline flying how about this perspective. When Northwest gave Pinnacle 130 RJ's (which mainline pilots did not want to fly those little puddle jumpers at that time) did NW lose 130 of their aircraft? I think not. Did the RJ help open up new routes, establish marketing/customer support in new markets that it would be foolish to put a 320 on to start with? yes. Then when 50 people consistently book flights in the new market, they put a DC-9 on it. Same with the touristy in-season hot spots. Thus it doesnt tie up the mainline aircraft and they can continue their frequency between already established city pairs.
#23
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From: e190
Colgan does nothing BUT undercut! Having the rates thrown on you? its called not flying the damn airplane.
this guy is a nutter. this guy posted in threads where you said "well colgan served me just fine. i am a 757 fo at CAL now" and then you posted about having a cal interview a couple weeks later. you can support your alma mater all you want but dont pull stuff out your rear. you are completely discredited in my book.
this guy is a nutter. this guy posted in threads where you said "well colgan served me just fine. i am a 757 fo at CAL now" and then you posted about having a cal interview a couple weeks later. you can support your alma mater all you want but dont pull stuff out your rear. you are completely discredited in my book.
#24
Colgan does nothing BUT undercut! Having the rates thrown on you? its called not flying the damn airplane.
this guy is a nutter. this guy posted in threads where you said "well colgan served me just fine. i am a 757 fo at CAL now" and then you posted about having a cal interview a couple weeks later. you can support your alma mater all you want but dont pull stuff out your rear. you are completely discredited in my book.
this guy is a nutter. this guy posted in threads where you said "well colgan served me just fine. i am a 757 fo at CAL now" and then you posted about having a cal interview a couple weeks later. you can support your alma mater all you want but dont pull stuff out your rear. you are completely discredited in my book.
You XJet guys that bash on here are so caught up in everyone else you do not even see what is going on in your own backyard.It is people like you that give your airline a bad name, sad because there are a lot of great people who work for XJet.
#25
And the vast majority of the regionals who took up the slack, chose to abandon those dirty, smelly, loud, un-sexy turbo props in favor of jets. They also were able to encroach on some of the mainline runs with the little jets.
And many pilots who have come to 121 in the last few years chose to fly for regionals who operated 50 pax jets. A few even chose to work for a regional who chose to fly a jet from IAH to CLL (some 70 nm).
But a few regionals chose NOT to buy jets. They chose to stick to jumpimg puddles.
And some pilots, believing there will always be a market for those dirty, smelly, loud, un-sexy, but more profitable (or less UNprofitable if you prefer) turbo props chose to work for the turbo prop operators. They didn't do it to thumb their noses at anyone else or to undercut the industry at a "bottom feeder." Those pilots chose to work for a company that appeared to have a better business model: little turbo props on short hops.
I am one of "those" pilots.
So bash on! Tell me how my choosing to go 135 ten years ago because I refused to take a pay cut from flight instructing to fly at a regional ruined the industry. Tell me how my 200 mile flights in a turbo prop undercut the 50 pax market. Please, tell me how "I" am the root of all evil.
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From: e190
Hey, do you not see your airline failing right before your eyes.
You XJet guys that bash on here are so caught up in everyone else you do not even see what is going on in your own backyard.
It is people like you that give your airline a bad name, sad because there are a lot of great people who work for XJet.
You XJet guys that bash on here are so caught up in everyone else you do not even see what is going on in your own backyard.It is people like you that give your airline a bad name, sad because there are a lot of great people who work for XJet.
#27
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From: e190
I too would love to see EVERY mainline doing ALL of its flying, but alas, pilots much senior and "wiser" than I chose to allow mainlines to farm of some of the flying.
And the vast majority of the regionals who took up the slack, chose to abandon those dirty, smelly, loud, un-sexy turbo props in favor of jets. They also were able to encroach on some of the mainline runs with the little jets.
And many pilots who have come to 121 in the last few years chose to fly for regionals who operated 50 pax jets. A few even chose to work for a regional who chose to fly a jet from IAH to CLL (some 70 nm).
But a few regionals chose NOT to buy jets. They chose to stick to jumpimg puddles.
And some pilots, believing there will always be a market for those dirty, smelly, loud, un-sexy, but more profitable (or less UNprofitable if you prefer) turbo props chose to work for the turbo prop operators. They didn't do it to thumb their noses at anyone else or to undercut the industry at a "bottom feeder." Those pilots chose to work for a company that appeared to have a better business model: little turbo props on short hops.
I am one of "those" pilots.
So bash on! Tell me how my choosing to go 135 ten years ago because I refused to take a pay cut from flight instructing to fly at a regional ruined the industry. Tell me how my 200 mile flights in a turbo prop undercut the 50 pax market. Please, tell me how "I" am the root of all evil.
And the vast majority of the regionals who took up the slack, chose to abandon those dirty, smelly, loud, un-sexy turbo props in favor of jets. They also were able to encroach on some of the mainline runs with the little jets.
And many pilots who have come to 121 in the last few years chose to fly for regionals who operated 50 pax jets. A few even chose to work for a regional who chose to fly a jet from IAH to CLL (some 70 nm).
But a few regionals chose NOT to buy jets. They chose to stick to jumpimg puddles.
And some pilots, believing there will always be a market for those dirty, smelly, loud, un-sexy, but more profitable (or less UNprofitable if you prefer) turbo props chose to work for the turbo prop operators. They didn't do it to thumb their noses at anyone else or to undercut the industry at a "bottom feeder." Those pilots chose to work for a company that appeared to have a better business model: little turbo props on short hops.
I am one of "those" pilots.
So bash on! Tell me how my choosing to go 135 ten years ago because I refused to take a pay cut from flight instructing to fly at a regional ruined the industry. Tell me how my 200 mile flights in a turbo prop undercut the 50 pax market. Please, tell me how "I" am the root of all evil.
#29
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From: e190
saab flying is losing money and is up for rebid in the near future, beech 1900 flying is losing money and is supposedly closing in Oct.... your not one to talk. your q flying is the only good thing you guys have going for you and even then your not getting paid squat for it. Scary times ahead for all.
#30
saab flying is losing money and is up for rebid in the near future, beech 1900 flying is losing money and is supposedly closing in Oct.... your not one to talk. your q flying is the only good thing you guys have going for you and even then your not getting paid squat for it. Scary times ahead for all.
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